Jesse Jenkins; vice president of investor relations; Brinks Co
Mark Eubanks; President, Chief Executive Officer; Brinks Co
Kurt McMaken; Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President; Brinks Co
George Tong; Analyst; Goldman Sachs
Sam Kusswurm; Analyst; William Blair
Toby Sommer; Analyst; Truist securities
Operator
Good day and welcome to the brink's fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings presentation.
(Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to your host, Mr. Jesse Jenkins, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Jenkins, you may begin.
Jesse Jenkins
Thanks, and good morning. Here with me today are CEO Mark Eubanks and CFO Kurt McMaken. This morning, Brinks reported fourth quarter and full year 2024 results on a GAAP, non-gap, and constant currency basis. Most of our comments today will be focused on our non-gap results.
These non-gap financial measures are intended to provide investors with a supplemental comparison of our operating results and trends for the periods presented. Our management believes these measures are also useful to investors, as such measures allow investors to evaluate our performance using the same metrics that our management uses to evaluate past performance and prospects for future performance.
Reconciliations of non-gap results to their most comparable GAAP results are provided in the press release, the appendix of the presentation, and in this morning's 8K filing, all of which can be found on our website. I will now turn the call over to Brink CEO Mark Eubanks.
Mark Eubanks
Thanks Jesse. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Starting on slide 3, we delivered total organic growth of 11% in the fourth quarter and 12% in the full year. ATM managed services and digital retail solutions, or AMS DRS, grew 23% organically in both Q4 and the full year.
This marks the 12th consecutive quarter of double-digit growth rates in these key lines of business, and our growth outlook remains positive. These markets are growing. Our customers continue to value our offerings, and we continue to capitalize on a robust global pipeline of opportunities.
Cash and Valuables Management, or CVM grew organically 7% in the fourth quarter and 9% for the full year. Our global services business, which has been softer over the last few quarters into 2024 has a bright spot in most markets. With increasing volatility in the precious metals markets, we are well positioned to benefit from rebounding demand in 2025.
As we forecasted in our last earnings call, the US dollar strengthened over the end of 2024 and created a 10% headwind in the period, almost entirely in our higher margin Latin American segment.
Despite this impact, we delivered $912 million of EBITDA in 2024 and expanded our EBITDA margins by 40 basis points to a record high level of 18.2%. EPS of $7.17 included in an approximate 4% reduction in share account year by year as we opportunistically executed our share repurchase program.
Our strong fourth quarter performance was punctuated by robust free cash flow. We delivered $400 million for the full year and over $300 million in the fourth quarter alone. Stronger than anticipated performance in the quarter was primarily the result of continued progress on working capital efficiencies, including accounts receivable collection and payables management.
Kurt will have much more on free cash flow later in the call. From a strategic perspective, we're focused on creating value by improving our revenue mix, streamlining our operations, and compounding free cash flow that we can return to our shareholders. In 2024, AMS/DRS grew $200 million and now represents 24% of our total revenue at the high end of our previous expectations.
We also continue to strengthen our global leadership team by adding three uniquely experienced global executives one to lead Brink's Global Services, a second, to lead the Brink's business system, our continuous improvement program office, and a third to lead our Latin American segment.
These leaders bring diverse experiences and successful track records from blue chip companies like Eaton, GE, Otis, and Honeywell. We are already seeing the benefits from their leadership in areas of growth, continuous improvement, ethics and compliance, and productivity enhancements, all of which will help us continue our growth and margin expansion progress into 2025 and beyond.
We also continue to diligently execute our capital allocation framework, reducing our net leverage in 2024 to 2.8 times EIA while returning approximately $250 million to our shareholders through our repurchase program and our dividend growth policy. We remain laser focused on accelerating this strategy, which is forming the basis of our framework for 2025, a continuation of the last 3 years.
Next year we plan to grow total organic revenue in mid-single digits highlighted by Mid to High Teens organic growth in AMS/DRS. Mixed benefits and productivity actions continue to help us deliver a 30 to 50 basis point expansion of EBITDA margins. We plan to convert 40% to 45% of EBITDA into free cash flow, returning about half of that cash to our shareholders.
While our framework will sound familiar, investors have told us they would like to see additional data points so they can better understand the impact of the changing foreign currency environment in our results. In order to provide as much clarity as possible, we're introducing additional guidance for the first quarter, which I'll explain further later in the presentation.
Turn to slide 4, you can see the specifics on the fourth quarter. Constant currency revenue growth was 11% and total revenue growth was 1% as we exceed $5 billion of full year revenue for the first time in the company's history. Adjusted EBITDA was roughly flat to the previous year on a reported basis and was up 11% on a constant currency basis, reflecting strong productivity and the benefits of AMS/DRS growth.
While EPS benefited from a lower tax rate, it was down compared to prior year as we lacked benefits of a previously discussed marketable security gain in Q4 of 2023 that we laid out in our initial 2024 guidance. 12-month free cash flow was also flat to the previous year with conversion from adjusted EBITDA of 44%.
Reflecting EBITDA growth and improved working capital management. Turn to slide 5, I thought it'd be helpful to walk through what we're seeing in each of our reported segments. Starting with North America on the left, organic growth was 2% for the full year, and adjusted IAA was up to 60 basis points for the full year.
We exited the year on a strong note in Q4, posting our highest total and AMS/DRS organic growth rates of the year. While AMS/DRS was consistently strong all year, we did see our global service businesses return to growth late in the quarter and were bullish on the potential that that business has into early 2025 based on the trends in the precious metals markets.
Overall, the North American market remains stable, and we continue to work on a solid pipeline of opportunities across all lines of business as we plan for continued growth acceleration into next year.
Latin America was down 2% in total as we managed through a volatile FX picture. Similar in North America, we ended the year at the high point of organic growth rates, even when excluding the impact of Argentina inflationary pricing. AMS/DRS grew double digits organically over the full year. And despite severe currency impacts on the year, adjusted EBITDA margins in the region were roughly flat compared to prior year.
In 2025 we expect meaningful year over year FX headwinds as we continue to lap the previously stronger Latin American currency basket, especially in the first half of the year. We also anticipate reported organic growth to decelerate as inflation has begun to moderate in Argentina this year. We view this as really good progress for the Argentinian economy as well as our business.
In the rest of the segment, our organic growth rate should remain somewhat consistent in the mid-single digits over the course of 2025. We also plan to take some restructuring actions in this segment early in the year to drive productivity, protect margins, and better realize the AMS/DRS operating model that has grown over the last few years.
Europe grew 7% organically in 2024, with total adjusted EBITDA growing slightly faster at 9%. Growth in the region was primarily related to AMS/DRS as Europe continues to be a strong conversion market with customers moving from traditional services to AMS/DRS. Organic growth of 6% in Q4 as we begin to lap strong comparisons to the prior year which are expected to continue into the new year.
Relatively modest growth and margin expansion in our rest of world segment was impacted early in the year by the previously discussed softness in our global services business. As is the case with other regions, we saw good momentum in the global services late in the quarter and have seen positive momentum into early 2025.
On slide 6, you can see our progress growing adjusted EBITDA and expanding margins over the years in North America. On the right side, you can see a few of the drivers of the performance. First, we've improved the quality of our revenue considerably. This includes both growth and higher margin, AMS and DRS revenue, as well as portfolio rationalization efforts in 2023 that carried into early 2024.
We've improved the quality of our customer base by eliminating lower margin accounts either through price realization, a conversion to DRS or AMS, or in some situations, a decision to move on from unprofitable accounts.
We also delivered considerable cost productivity across the P&L with the rollout of the Brink's business system. This is the most noticeable in direct labor, our largest expense category. Direct labor as a percent of revenue is down an impressive 310 basis points over the last two years. This productivity is widespread and consistent.
During 2024, our major productivity metrics in both routing efficiency and money processing improved year to year, every quarter of the year. Maybe most importantly, these efficiency gains happened while we improved employees' safety and customer service and quality, with a, with our total recordable incident rate continuing to improve both year over year and sequentially in the fourth quarter.
The system and technology investments we discussed last quarter to centralize planning processes and improve messenger routing remain on track for full realization by the middle of 2025. These actions were necessary to drive improvement in subsequent years and fully realize the benefits of the AMS/DRS operating model.
I'm confident we're making the necessary investments to move our North American business towards our target of 20% margins in the coming years. Turn to slide 7. I'll provide details on revenue by customer offering. Starting with the chart on the left, you can see that AMS/DRS now represents 24% of our total revenue, and we're targeting an increase to between 25% and 27% of the business by year end.
AMS/DRS is now about 3.5 times bigger than it was when we first began to report it in 2020, and we're expecting Mid to High Teens organic growth in 2025. Our cash and valuables management business grew 7% organically in the fourth quarter and remained stable looking into next year. A positive in the fourth quarter in CVM was the stabilization of our global services business.
Precious metals shipments picked up late in the quarter with additional momentum into early 2025. As we've discussed previously, volatility in these markets can be beneficial, and we're seeing this dynamic play out in the cycle. Trends in the global services business move quickly, and our ability to leverage pre-existing infrastructure and relationships is key to capturing increased revenue and profit during times of volatility.
Our capabilities are characterized by a global footprint of secure storage facilities and an established logistics network around the world. As one of the largest global players in the market, we're well positioned to capitalize on this opportunity. In DRS, we're still seeing strong demand patterns and have a healthy backlog of booked business.
Over the year we increased our installed base of DRS devices by 20%. Operationally, we shortened our selling window and improved time to install devices, ultimately decreasing the time to revenue. Despite strong double-digit organic growth in DRS in every segment, we exited the year with an expanded backlog of signed agreements in most countries, providing a good line of sight to our 2025 targets.
In the US specifically, our backlog more than doubled from the beginning of the year compared to where we exited the year. Our wide range of solutions are driving increasingly diverse in market demand. From single stores to large enterprise operations, we have a DRS solution that can be tailored to meet various customer needs.
While our performance has been impressive, the markets are still growing and remain largely under penetrated, giving us confidence we can continue our growth trajectory in the near term. On the AMS side, we increased ATM counts by double digits while driving mid-teens organic growth across all segments. Pipelines remain full and we're having active conversations with many financial institutions and retailers across the globe.
We're on track for full deployment of the previously announced Sainsbury's deployment in the UK by mid 2025. An early result of our onboarding has been positive and ahead of schedule. The pace of growth remains robust across all regions, and we recently added a large customer in Asia Pacific that will on board later this year.
As a trusted partner with major banking customers, we're well positioned to capture market share as outsourcing trends continue to accelerate. Overall, I'm pleased with the quarter and the year. AMS and DRS continue to deliver and have a bright outlook.
We remain positioned to benefit from the recovery in our global services business in markets, and we continue to drive operational excellence in our traditional cash and valuables management business. I'm encouraged by our progress and I look forward to executing on our strategy in 2025.
And with that, I'll turn it over to Kurt to discuss the details of the quarter, including a focus on free cash flow and capital allocation. I'll return to discuss our new guidance methodology and take questions, Kurt.
Kurt McMaken
Thanks, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Starting on slide 8, organic revenue grew $133 million with 46% of that growth coming from higher margin, AMS and DRS recurring revenues. Currency headwinds amounted to $123 million in the period, primarily from the Argentine peso, Mexican peso, and Brazilian real. Organically adjusted Eva grew $28 million or 11%.
Incremental margins on FX were 24%, with the majority of the impact coming from our higher margin Latin American businesses. Total adjusted margins were down 30 basis points from the prior year impacted by the regional revenue impact of foreign exchange.
On 59, starting on the left, interest expense was up $8 million year-over-year to $60 million. The increase was driven by higher debt, including growth in DRS provisional capital and slightly higher financing leases. Next year we expect interest expense to remain roughly flat year over year using current market expectations for two interest rate reductions.
Tax expense was $29 million in the quarter, representing a full year effective tax rate of 23% better than our expectations. Tax rate benefit was driven primarily by the impact of inflation adjustments in Argentina and the geographic mix of earnings. In 2025, we expect our tax rate to return to a more normalized level of 28%, a consistent reduction in our baseline effective tax rate of about 560 basis points, less than 2021.
Interest income was $11 million in the quarter and $49 million for the full year. With inflation rates moderating in Argentina, we expect 2025 interest income to return to the more normalized levels we saw in 2022. Especially in the second half of the year. The other category was$6 million $28 million lower than the prior year, primarily from the lapping impact of marketable security gains in the prior year that did not repeat, which are excluded from adjusted IITA.
Income from continuing operations was $94 million and our diluted share account was down $1.7 million shares or 4%. Our EPS in the period was $2.12 per share. Walking back up to adjusted IITA, depreciation and amortization was $56 million in the fourth quarter, and we expect total depreciation and amortization to rise modestly in 2025, primarily reflecting increased depreciation from AMS and DRS equipment.
In the stock comp and other category, stock-based compensation was up about $6 million in Q4. Looking into next year, stock compensation is expected to decrease slightly to between $30 million and $35 million. Moving to slide 10, you can see our free cash flow performance over the last several years. We generated $400 million of free cash flow in 2024 with conversion from adjusted EBITDA of 44%.
With a focus on continuous improvement, we continue to identify and implement actions to improve cash flow, including from working capital management with a particular focus on more timely collection of trade accounts receivable and optimizing payment terms to vendors. On the trade accounts receivable side, we were able to reduce our DSO by seven days.
Over the last several years we have increased our focus on DSO because it's the largest driver of our working capital performance. We are earlier in our journey on accounts payable, but during the fourth quarter and into 2025, we began to centralize and standardize our procurement teams and processes. We continue to work with certain key vendors to improve payment terms and relationships throughout the year.
With planned systems and process enhancements underway in 2025, as well as continued growth in AMSDRS revenue, we expect to continue to make methodical progress in these areas in the coming years. Another component of success this year was capital efficiency.
Our fleet decreased by over 300 vehicles during 2024, and we reduced our facility count by over 60 locations as we continue to drive operational efficiency with AMS and DRS growth. Cash CapEx of $147 million in 2024 represents 2.9% of total revenue, well below our target of 3.5% to 4%. While we expect this number to increase slightly next year, we expect to remain under 3.5% of revenue in 2025.
The other major components of free cash flow came in roughly as expected and are expected to remain stable into 2025. Moving to slide 11 Our capital allocation framework has been consistent over the last several years, and we don't expect any changes next year. As always, we strive to allocate capital prioritizing long term shareholder value.
Our framework is designed to compound free cash flow in future years by investing first in organic growth and margin enhancing opportunities. We are targeting CapEx as a percentage of revenue below 3.5% next year and plan to continue to drive capital efficiency by shifting our revenue to AMS and DRS.
In 2024 we were able to lower our net leverage to 2.8 times, moving further into our target range of two to three times. With leverage within our targeted range, over 60% of the cash we generated this year was allocated to shareholder returns.
We spent $204 million on share repurchases, a 20% increase over last year, reducing share count by over $2.1 million shares. We have also been diligent with our dividend policy, passing along double digit increases in each of the past few years.
Finally, on M&A, our posture on deals hasn't changed. We have a full pipeline and continue to explore our creative opportunities that have a strong strategic fit, attractive returns, and align with our current leverage targets and broader capital allocation framework.
Turning to slide 12, you can see recent capital allocation trends over time. Starting at the top right, share all the returns have accelerated significantly to be the largest component of our capital allocation in each of the last two years. The increase is primarily driven by share repurchases with dividends remaining roughly flat in total dollars despite the double digit increase in each of the last two years.
That leverage is down approximately half a turn since 2022. I'm proud of the success we've had accelerating shareholder returns while consistently reducing debt levels over the last few years. I'll now hand it back to Mark for guidance in Q&A. Mark.
Mark Eubanks
Thanks, Kurt. Our new approach to guidance intends to provide investors with a full year framework for value generating metrics like organic growth, adjusted EBEDA margin expansion, and free cash flow conversion. We also plan to provide quarterly guidance throughout the year for revenue, adjusted EBEDA, and EPS in order to provide investors with as much real-time information as possible during the year.
We believe this approach will allow our investors to focus on the components of our long-term strategy that will ultimately create value. This changing guidance methodology is primarily the product of the current volatility that we see in the FX markets. Now let's take a look at the numbers.
Our full year framework should look very familiar with total organic growth in the mid-single digits and AMSDRS organic growth in the Mid to High Teens, reflecting the continuation of recent performance. If FX rates across our basket of currencies hold at the current levels, we're expecting a little less than 5% headwind over the full year.
We expect margin expansion of 30 basis points to 50 basis points as we deal with continued currency pressure in high margin Latin American countries and factor in lower interest income resulting from Argentina inflation moderation. Free cash flow conversion will be in line with 2024, and we're targeting at least 50% of that cash to shareholder returns with repurchases of shares at similar level as 2024.
In the first quarter, we expect revenue of $1.225 billion at the midpoint, reflecting organic growth in the mid-single digits and currencies expected to be a headwind of around 6%. The revenue guidance assumes strong continued growth in AMSDRS, positive momentum in global services, and reflects current inflation moderation trends in Argentina. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $190 million and $210 million.
We expect to see year by year margin expansion in all segments outside of Latin America where we plan to take some restructuring actions to improve margins and right size our business for the balance of the year. EPS is expected to be between $1.10 million and $1.40 million .
Looking back over the year, I'm pleased with our performance. AMS and DRS are approaching 25% of our total business, and the mixed shift is delivering improvements in profit margins and free cash flow generation. Our productivity journey is well underway as we deploy the brinks business system deeper into our operations and our cash flow is resilient and growing.
Our team of over 68,000 employees is aligned behind our strategy, and we're working diligently to enable commerce across the globe. 2025 is off to a great start with continued momentum in our key lines of business of AMS, DRS, and global services, and I'm excited for the year ahead. With that, we're happy to now take your questions. Operator, please open the line.
Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.
(Operator Instructions)
And the first question will come from George Tong with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
George Tong
Your cash and valuable management business grew 7% in the quarter. Can you deconstruct trends you're seeing from a price and volume perspective?
Mark Eubanks
Sure, thanks, George. Good morning. We continue to see volumes, continue to improve and improve that ratio, more towards the balance, fifty-fifty like we've talked about. Previously, I think part of that is some of the Argentina inflation moderation, we're seeing that come down, which is why you see the printed organic growth numbers, more in line with the rest of the regions and the long-term trends.
I think you'll also see, in 2024 we did have some more price built into the market. Part of that is we talked about North America with the portfolio rationalization. In the first half of the year, but I think if you just sort of look in general, price inflation remains positive, across all of our regions.
So, if you think about looking around just sort of around the world, that also is in line, George, with our money processing volumes, kind of some of the underlying, metrics operationally that continues to be consistent, throughout the year in all of our regions.
Of course, if you think about our revenue profile and growth profile, a lot of that is, as we talked about is AMS DRS growth, which is really a mixed impact as well, not just, that's not part of price, as we continue to look forward, that CBM part will continue to be, positive in 2025, particularly as we saw BGS start to. Pick up in the fourth quarter, and we've seen that momentum continue, as I mentioned, into 2025.
That's, on the back of a lot of this, metals movement we've seen around the world.
George Tong
Got it. That's helpful. And then you're accelerating investments to improve margins in North America, can you outline the op opportunity you see there how much in investments you're making and if you think the opportunity to close the GAAP of margins in North America is greater than the international margin opportunity?
Mark Eubanks
Sure, well, we don't think George, there's really a ceiling for us on those margins, I talk, we talked about a 20% IADA as a near term target. We think that's still in line of sight. The investments we're making are really focused.
Predominantly right now on route optimization technology and we talked about that in Q3 we expect to have that fully implemented by mid-year this year and expect to realize those benefits in the second half of the year. I think you know some of the other some of the other opportunities.
That we've seen for investment are really around some of our legacy tech debt that we've, moved some on-prem data centers to the cloud. We talked about that as well in Q3 to really give us more flexibility and scalability to take the business up.
You heard my prepared remarks; we started disclosing labor. As part of a breakout in our gross margin cost of goods, you can see that's improved 310 basis points, and really that's. Attributed to our real productivity benefits coming through in both our external routing and logistics network but also our money processing as you think on our on our internal cash centers.
So, we really are starting to realize those benefits and seeing that margin progression step forward, particularly in North America. We think that's going to again close the GAAP with ours.
Particularly, Latin America as we see, our lean journey in Latin America is, a couple of years ahead, to be H1st, from North America, but we expect that to catch up and we expect to steal some of these best practices not only in Latin America but also into Europe and the rest of the world.
George Tong
Got it, that's helpful thank you.
Mark Eubanks
Thanks George.
Operator
The next question will come from Sam Kusswurm with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Sam Kusswurm
Hey Mark, hey Kurt, thanks for taking our questions here.
Mark Eubanks
Yeah, good morning, SAM.
Good morning.
Sam Kusswurm
I guess to start, your guys assuming mid single digital organic growth for 2025, and I think he also shared Mid to High Teens organic growth for AMS GRS business. I think you touched on this a bit briefly in the pair of remarks, but can you also break down for us your assumptions for the CIT and BGS businesses?
Kurt McMaken
In terms of the components of growth.
Sam Kusswurm
Yeah, just organic growth assumptions.
Kurt McMaken
Yeah, so if you, I mean, kind of if you do the math, I mean CDM would be back into the low single digits, growth. Is the way you think about that. SAM, that's total. Bro, but and then you said BGS. Did you say BDS is part of CDM, yeah, we don't break that out, but I mean it, it's going to again be in that I would say consistent that that whole group of businesses think about that as low single digit.
think about one thing you know we got to keep in mind is that there is a conversion impact that, does kind of keep that rate in that lower single digit relative to the AMS and DRS growth, so there is some shift that's going from CDM and into AMSDRS.
Mark Eubanks
I think SAM we can though characterize where we're seeing, where we are seeing growth we again we continue to see the sort of. BGS global services business in total, organic growth accelerating out of Q4 into Q1 and probably, as our outlook anticipates, through the rest of 25, and if you just remember, we've been talking about softness really for the past three quarters in our global services business.
That predominantly showed up in North America, although that's part of our North American segment where we actually were slightly negative last year and expect that to flip this year to positive.
Sam Kusswurm
Got it. That didn't help.
Kurt McMaken
Yeah, within that, total CDM number that we're just talking about.
Sam Kusswurm
Got it. Awesome. And then you also finished the year with AMS CRS organic growth of 23%, I think for the year as well. So, moving that business towards Mid to High Teens growth, is that more about the comps that you're going to have to deal with or moving towards a more normalized growth rate? Just trying to understand that a bit better.
Mark Eubanks
Sure, two things there, SAM, for us. One, it's just a lot of large numbers. that that number is getting bigger and bigger, and so you know we would anticipate, that a little bit slowing down, but it's also there's some impact here in Argentina also as that.
Inflation starts to moderate because we have some AMSDRS business down there that also, becomes a little bit of a growth headwind compared to what we had previously. But our commitment on this Mid to High Teens, frankly is what we said last year, SAM and outperform that we expected that to be, Mid to High Teens and that continued to surprise us. I'd say our.
Performance in the quarter, we expect that to continue in the near term just given the nature of the recurring revenue piece of that and you know we would hope to outperform that as we go forward. You know we had we had two nice wins in the quarter, with AMSDRS in North America specifically with 2 new logos, first in AMS, the BP convenience store gas station chain.
You know this is hundreds of locations for our AMS business across several of their logos, that they that they brand or franchise with really that deployment has already started, and we expect it to finish up, sometime in the 3rd quarter. So again, a good incremental organic win in the marketplace on the DRS side.
We're thrilled to partner with Western Union and are announcing that now to bring DRS technology to hundreds of locations across their network. We think this is going to be a really strong initiative to help them not only enhance security, their cash handling, but also help their agents locally operate more efficiently. We started this rollout already.
We're excited to announce a partnership and look forward to getting the rollout complete by the end of Q1 this year. So again, 22 good big partnerships that we're excited about, building on a strong backlog that we brought into the year into 2025.
Sam Kusswurm
Got it. That's helpful color there. Thanks. If I could squeeze one more and then I just want to ask about these FX headwinds as it relates to your free cash flow and ability to deploy that free cash flow towards areas like share repurchases. So to put it simply, to what extent do these headwinds impact your ability to generate and deploy free cash flow in 2025, particularly as it relates to share purchases?
Mark Eubanks
Sure, so for us, free cash flow conversion will continue to improve, we think with margins. And so as we do have some headwinds on margins, in those, sorry, headwinds to FX in those high margin geographies that could be a. Could be a headwind to free cash flow conversion.
I'd say on the other side, we think interest rate reductions obviously are going to help us across the business, but of course faster AMSDRS deployment as well. AMSDRS is an inherently more capital efficient for us both in. Allowing us to optimize our network but also allowing us to improve our payment terms and our and collapse our cash cycle.
So that does again provide till, and we think to the ability to convert free cash flow. One of the examples of that that we could point to on this capital efficiency side, this year we would see about 300 vehicles less across our network and about 35 less physical branches, across brinks and so we're starting now to.
To see some of this capital efficiency benefits as we start to reach a or maybe approach some tipping points here allowing us really to optimize our networks.
Sam Kusswurm
Got it. I appreciate that thank you.
Operator
The next question will come from Toby Sammer with Trust. Please go ahead.
Toby Sommer
Good morning. It's Tyler Baron for Toby. Hi, good morning. How much of the growth, he, how much of the growth, in A MSDRS came from legacy conversions versus new business wins?
Mark Eubanks
We don't have that broken out, but it's actually, we said before, it's probably less than 1/3. In fact, it's been, pretty low. We most of what we've done in the DRS side, continues to be unvented or competitive. Acquisitions from other providers, whether that service was DRS or, CIT CBM we wouldn't know. I think that on the AMS side it's a little bit more difficult to say because. The retail ATM networks are, would largely be, new business for them.
Maybe they're changing providers and, it's a market share shift for us, but when we talk about bank outsourcing, that's really a continued expansion of the. Available market because traditionally those banks, were insourced already and so you know for them maybe all we were doing was CIT only and so that really is a pure conversion of CIT to AMS, but I would say that's not been the majority of what we're doing.
Most of it is new business, new to new to cash management largely in DRS and new to AMS, under the retail banners.
Toby Sommer
Got it. Just depending on tariffs, can you talk about the impact that would have seen gold prices rise, which can be a positive, but maybe just talk about the impact of some other economies around the world slow down maybe slightly from tariffs, how that would impact.
Mark Eubanks
Yeah, sure, certainly tariffs for us, we've seen that impact, global markets in total, as we've all seen, and one of those impacts has been around precious metals, particularly gold and silver, and so, as we exited Q4 and have, seen what's going on in Q1, what we expect to continue is a lot of movement of gold and silver.
A certainly into the US, that's been well chronicled, I think publicly in Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg. That this is happening, and we are one of the biggest logistics players in the space, we have seen those benefits. I think we're also seeing this though movements around Asia again as global markets are balancing.
Around currency and around, hedges around inflation and interest rates, this volatility is beneficial for our global services business and so we already have a large installed logistics network both of vaults and logistics hubs, but also, well established relationships with. Banks, custodians, so forth. So, for us this is really good being that it's a big, fixed cost network.
Those create good incremental for us on incremental profit conversion, but frankly it's a reward for carrying this fixed infrastructure in times that aren't so robust. So this is a, good opportunity for us. I'd say on the other side from a tariff perspective on the non-global.
Services business, we really don't see any large impacts for us one way or the other. I think to your point, I think you insinuated, maybe there's some economic local economy issues that could, that you could see, and, but we certainly have not seen that yet. We've seen, Brazil has had some economic headwinds in the last few quarters but largely unrelated to the tariffs.
But we don't see any direct impacts. Tyler, I think that we would see that you would hear from other companies, particularly those that are importing or exporting goods.
Kurt McMaken
Tyler, the only thing I would add to that to Mark's comments is we're keeping a close eye on input costs and we're ready, to take actions, if that becomes an issue.
Toby Sommer
Got it. And then just one final one, there's been some reports of any being discontinued, would that have any meaningful impact on your business?
Kurt McMaken
Yeah, no, we, there is news out there about the discontinuation of the penny, but for us that is really not an issue. I mean we, it's, we have a coin business, but it's that's an immaterial kind of concept to us in terms of impact.
Mark Eubanks
Yeah, and maybe even a benefit. I mean we are one of the largest, I mean we're the largest in North America, when it comes to, physical currency movement and coin is a large also part of that that we, partner not only with retailers, but also, with the Fed is part of the distribution network.
Toby Sommer
Thank you.
Operator
This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Mark Eubanks for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.
Mark Eubanks
Yeah, thank you, and I appreciate everyone for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you soon in the future.
Operator
Conference is now concluded.
Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
