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Donald Young

Thanks, Neal. Good morning, everyone.
Thank you for joining us for our Q4 2024 earnings call.
My comments will focus on the recent quarter and full year performance, the status and expected impact of several key elements of our strategy, and our view of the current environment. Ricardo will dig deeper into our 2024 financial performance and our strategy and will provide a first look at our 2025 plan. We look forward to your questions. We operated well in Q4 and for the full year 2024.
The execution of the plan was driven by the strength of our teams throughout the company.
Revenue of $453 million adjusted EBITDA of $90 million and net income of $13 million were all milestones. We grew revenue by 90% in 2024, exceeded our long-term target of 35% gross margins, and increased adjusted EBITDA from negative $23 million in 2023 to positive $90 million.
Our Pyro Thin thermal barrier revenue increased from $7 million in 2021 to $56 million in 2022 to $110 million in 2023 and to $307 million in 2024.
At the last earnings call, we announced a new OEM award to supply pirates and thermal barriers to Mercedes Benz, and on this call, we are pleased to announce a Pirates and thermal barrier design award from Volvo Truck, our second in the commercial vehicle segment, highlighting the significant opportunities in this space.
A major Korean battery manufacturer supplying the cells to Volvo Truck, and we expect to startup production during the second half of 2026 and for sales to ramp in 2027. This award was our third in 2024 and our eighth overall.
Our energy industrial business also had an outstanding 2024 and a significant fourth quarter. A key achievement was the productive transition to our external manufacturing facility, or EMF and the better matching of our supply capabilities with a growing global demand for our energy industrial products.
The year-long drive to qualify our full line of products and to produce them in a high quality, efficient manner was a success, with gross margins measurably exceeding our overall target of 35%. Our energy industrial revenue in Q4, most always the strongest quarter of any year, was $53 million with over $48 million produced by EMF and up from just over $3 million from EMF in the same quarter in 2023.
As a point of reference for the year 2024, we paid approximately 30% tariffs for energy industrial products delivered from EMF to the US and generated gross margins exceeding 40%. Historically, approximately 40% of our overall energy industrial sales have been made in the US.
In 2025, we are proactively addressing potential tariff risks through pricing strategies, sourcing optimization, and working closely with our EMF partner to lower product costs.
In a world where tariffs are used to accomplish a wide range of national and international goals and can come and go over relatively short periods of time, we believe it is difficult and likely unwise for us to make reactive and substantial structural changes based on tariffs.
Overall, we believe the energy industrial business is well positioned for a policy approach in the United States that promotes an intensified focus on energy and power generation. The goal for the energy industrial team is to create shareholder value by consistently expanding the baseload of revenue and profit for the company.
Looking back on 2024, we executed successfully three key elements of our strategy. First, the conversion of the East Providence Aerogel manufacturing plant to support the growth of the pyro thin thermal barrier business. Second, the transition to our external manufacturing facility to support the growth of the energy industrial business.
And third, the financial stewardship to reinforce the strength and flexibility of the company in part by generating positive net income in 2024 and by finishing the year with over $220 million of cash on the balance sheet. We believe that our strategic execution in 2024 provides the resources and operating flexibility necessary to navigate any near-term challenges and to deliver long-term profitable growth.
Looking ahead to 2025, we are taking decisive actions to navigate an evolving environment. Most notably, we have made the decision to cease construction of Plant 2 in Statesboro, Georgia, and we'll meet long-term thermal barrier demand by maximizing capacity at our East Providence manufacturing facility while utilizing a flexible supply strategy.
Our strong working relationship with EMF, which has been vital to our energy industrial segment, provides additional options to support our manufacturing capacity as we scale our businesses. This approach allows us to create capacity in a modular fashion that can more closely anticipate the demand curve and to do so with minimal capital.
Other actions we are taking include the reduction of fixed costs by at least $8 million per quarter, which returns us to a level on par with the 2023 run rate. When we shared our 2024 outlook a year ago, we thought we were being aggressive with revenue growth rate approaching 50% and with significant improvement in adjusted EBITDA.
We had doubled revenue from 2021 to 2023, and there was plenty of uncertainty around EV adoption rates and the transition to EMF to serve our energy industrial business. As the year played out, our initial outlook proved conservative, with beaten raises in each quarter, culminating in a full year revenue growth of 90% and a correspondingly high adjusted EBITDA result.
As we enter 2025, there are of course even more variables at play, and we feel it is prudent to provide an outlook for Q1 alone, at least until the macro environment settles and the rules of the game become more clear. Our lead EB customer, GM had a robust 2024, and our numbers reflected that level of activity.
GM has set 300,000 vehicles as its target for 2025 and reiterated that number again this week. While our Q1 outlook does not reflect that pace, we are prepared to meet it as General Motors' sole source thermal barrier supplier. With a strong foundation in place, we are confident in our ability to adapt, innovate, and capture significant opportunities in 2025.
Our focus remains on delivering both critical solutions to our customers and sustained value to our shareholders.
Ricardo, over to you.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Thank you, Don, and good morning, everyone.
I'm happy to report another record-breaking quarter on behalf of our team starting on slide 3.
We delivered $123.1 million of revenue in Q4, which translates into 46% growth year over year. This reflects an annual revenue run rate of over $490 million.
Having our Q4 revenues exceed our annual revenues of 2021 is a testament to our team's ability to efficiently scale our capacity. Our annual revenues of $452.7 million reflect a 90% year over year increase. And slightly beat our most recently communicated expectations of $450 million for the year.
Our energy industrial revenue set another quarterly record at $53.1 million a 70% year over year increase, and the near doubling of our supply constrained revenues in Q3. Most of the segment's product was supplied by our external manufacturing facility.
Total 2024 revenues of $145.9 million reflect a 13% year over year increase and another all-time record that exceeded our most recently communicated guidance of $135 million for this segment in 2024.
EV thermal barrier revenue of $70 million was up 32% year over year and down by 23% quarter over quarter, reflecting the point that we've been making for several quarters about produce parts requiring several weeks to make their way through our customers' value chains into produced vehicles.
We clearly produced a lot of the parts that were used in Q4 vehicle production during Q3, and this vehicle production schedule had at least 10 fewer production days in Q3s due to various holidays. As vehicle inventory hit our customers' target levels. We started seeing OEMs revised production schedules downward after the US Presidential election, even if vehicle sales increased at the end of the quarter.
More on this later. Nonetheless, revenues of $306.8 million in EV thermal barriers represents a 179% year over year increase and then over 50% beat over our initial expectations for this segment in 2024.
In Q4, company level gross profit margins were 38%, and our gross profit of $47.1 million was a 59% improvement over the same quarter last year. The year's gross profit of $182.9 million reflects a 40% gross margin and three times the gross profit that we generated last year, highlighting the scalability of our business.
Both our segments contributed to this performance, with our energy industrial business driving growth margins of 39% in Q4 and 40% for the year. Our EV thermal barrier business had gross margins of 41% for the year and 38% during the fourth quarter, which was impacted by the lower part volume produced during the quarter but still above our segment targets of 35%.
Our adjusted EBITDA was $22.7 million in Q4 compared to $9.1 million during the same period last year. The adjusted EBITDA of $89.9 million. It's $112.8 million higher than 2023, adjusted EBITDA loss of $22.9 million and very close to our most recently communicated expectation for 2024 of $90 million.
As a reminder, we define adjusted EBITDA net income or loss before interest, taxes, depreciation amortization, stock-based compensation expenses, and other items that we do not believe are indicative of our core operating performance.
In Q4, these adjustments were limited to $2.5 million of stock-based compensation, $5.4 million of depreciation, $3.5 million of net interest expenses, and $200,000 of net income tax expenses. Positive net income in Q4 of $11.4 million or $0.14 per diluted share, assuming 82.99 million shares, contributed to the year's positive net income of $13.4 million or $0.17 per share on 80.3 million shares.
Next, alternative cash flow and our balance sheet. We generated positive free cash flow of $20.9 million in Q4 by freeing up $14.6 million for working capital and funding CapEx of only $14.8 million.
$7.4 million to this CapEx funded plan two in Statesboro, Georgia, while the remainder funded projects at our Aerogel plant in Rhode Island and additional assembly equipment for new OEM programs at our EV thermal barrier assembly facility in Mexico.
Our net financing activities in the quarter of $86.5 million included all the ins and outs of the company's $93.2 million equity offering on October 21, 2024, and a $6.5 million repayment of our term loan.
We ended the quarter with $220.9 million of cash and shareholders' equity of $614.7 million. With our business generating positive free cash flow and the lower CapEx forecast. More on this later, we will seek to opportunistically use our cash to optimize our capital structure as we work our way through 2025.
Next, I'll turn over to slide 4 and walk you through some of the main differences between what drove our business in 2024 and what we're factoring into our planning for 2025.
We are fortunate to be leveraging our Aerogel technologies and products into two complementary and largely uncorrelated markets. Our energy industrial business and ED thermal varied business segments are each more than pulling their own weight by delivering gross margins of over 35% and growing.
Our energy industrial installation business is no longer supply constrained in 2025. Our markets of subsea, refining, LNG, and power generation favor investment and increasing the efficiency of assets across the board.
We believe that depending on product mix, we can deliver anywhere between $150million and $200 million of product each year, while continuing to very profitably replicate an annual growth rate in the teams taken to our 13% growth rate of 2024. The demand winds in 2025 are as favorable as those of 2024, and we have supplied flexibility to grow here.
Our EV thermal barrier business continues to evolve as the benchmark sell to sell product for OEMs to deploy as they develop the next generation of EVs or make meaningful mid-cycle actions in these. We continue adding awards to a growing list of OEMs in a market where EV investment continues being re-timed as demand expectations in North America and Europe are reset.
In the long term, we believe that as we build a business from a low base, we can continue to outpace the growth of the EV market by supplying the right customers.
In 2024, We benefited from scaling a new product into the automotive industry and the initial vehicle inventory buildup that is required to do this. By supporting multiple new vehicle launches, we had demand for parts that were used by automakers to own in their manufacturing processes and improve their yields, as well as parts to build an initial set of inventory of finished vehicles.
This additional demand of 70 days to 100 days of finished vehicles was meaningful. And it drove most of the outsized demand that we fulfilled in 2024 that was beyond our initial expectations. A $7500 ED credit in the US in combination with the threat of tightening emissions and fuel economy standards also motivated OEMs to aggressively ramp up production in 2024.
Going into 2025, these demand tailwinds aren't as pronounced, given the number of vehicle launches involved and the fact that OEMs have already built up inventory banks of several weeks of finished vehicles. We're also eyes wide open on the effect that continuously high interest rates and the potential reduction of EV incentives can have a new vehicle demand and in particular EV sales.
We also question how motivated OEMs are to produce a high number of EVs and a potentially less punishing emissions and fuel economy regulatory environment.
Having said this, we believe that to land at the appropriate level of revenues that can be expected for our EV thermal business in 2025. We need to look at its revenues of $110 million in 2023 and our original expectations of $200 million in 2024 versus the more than $100 million of outsized performance that it delivered of $306.8 million in 2024.
Tracing the line to 2025 from 2023 or our initial 2024 expectations versus the 2024 actuals seems to make the most sense given the demand dynamics involved and the fact that we do not expect volume from European OEMs to be meaningfully reflected in our P&L until late 2025 in the first half of 2026.
It is likely that these new programs could drive outsized 2026 demand in a similar fashion to what we experienced with the Altium launches in 2024.
Turning over to slide 5. Just as in early 2023 we called that EV expectations were ahead of any potential reality and retimed all our capital investments while accelerating our path to profitability. In 2025, we are very cautiously going into the year by preemptively doing three things.
First, we're stopping construction of plan two. We're meeting long term demand by investing to maximize capacity. At our Aerogel facility in Rhode Island and supplementing that by leveraging the external manufacturing model that has worked so well in 2024 for our energy industrial products.
It feels great to not take on an incremental $671 million of debt on the balance sheet and to still be able to fulfill all the expected demand.
Second, we are aiming to improve our profitability gearing by reducing the fixed cost base of the company by over $35 million per year through our reduction of various positions and outside spend.
Third, we strengthen our balance sheet in the fall of last year and currently have $228 million of cash on hand as of the end of January. This fully funds our plans. It also enables us to play offense and evaluate a variety of opportunities, including additional paths of organic and inorganic growth, optimizing the capital structure, and potentially returning capital to shareholders.
In addition to our balance sheet, we have $57 million of unused capacity on the revolver, bringing our total available liquidity to $285 million.
With these actions behind us, we believe that we are uniquely positioned to protect our company's profit and cash generation potential through a broad range of potential demand outcomes. Providing annual guidance doesn't make sense, and instead we'll work through this year quarter by quarter.
We'll give you our best estimate of the broad range of outcomes for as far as we can clearly see and work to excel in executing through these outcomes. When our visibility for the rest of the year improves, we'll go back to providing a baseline expectation for the year.
Now turning over to slide 6 and focusing on Q1 of 2025.
We expect total revenues of $75million to $95 million in the first quarter of the year. The revenue split is expected to be of $35million to $40 million for our energy industrial segment, with the remainder covered by our EV thermal barrier segment.
Within this revenue range, we expect to deliver break even EBITDA to $15 million of EBITDA or a net loss of $15 million to break even on a net income basis. This range also reflects a range of earnings per share from a loss to $0.19 from a loss of $0.19 to being approximately break-even.
Well, we assess and minimize the cost of the mobilizing plan here in Georgia. We are not expecting to invest more than $7 million in CapEx, supporting our operations in Rhode Island and Mexico during the quarter. CapEx for the year outside of Plan two will be managed to be less than $25 million without including the cost to the mobilized plan two.
We realize that this is a meaningful reset from the levels of the most recent three quarters. Q1 represents an inevitable bump in the road and potential low point in the development of our EV thermal barrier business.
We actually had a similar one in Q1 of 2023. And as OEM vehicle sales start aligning with production on the successful nameplate that we've launched, there's potential upside to capture during the rest of the year. Let me be crystal clear. We're talking about finished vehicle inventories at General Motors, where we are single sourced, not pirates and inventories in the value chain, which we have full visibility on.
GM had a strong production ramp in 2024 and is targeting over 300,000 vehicles in 2025 if we include the Honda and Acura nameplates.
Our guide for Q1 reflects what we believe is a temporary drop in production to reduce finished vehicle inventory levels. With an annualized sales rate in the US of over 270,000 vehicles in Q4 of last year and market share of 19%, it is fair to expect GM to increase production after Q1 to meet its targets and launch three additional name plates.
Looking further ahead into 2026 and beyond, new programs will drive and diversify our revenue base in this segment further. For instance, we estimate the Volvo award that Don mentioned adds at least $45 million to revenue per year once it's launched.
From looking at the trends of the past 5 quarters on the right side of the slide, one can see that our team has very recent experience on accelerating the company's path to profitability while ratcheting back spending to generate cash.
Thanks to our recent decisive actions, we are energized to continue replicating this approach at a scale that isn't limited by capacity constraints anymore, and we cannot be more driven to keep executing.
With that, I'm happy to turn the call back to Don.
Thank you very much for your attention and continued support.

Donald Young

Thank you, Ricardo.
Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to comment that while we may have an unsettled near-term environment, we believe that electrification through this decade will be a major driver for both our thermal barrier and energy industrial businesses.
Our customers in these two businesses have vital safety, cost, and performance goals, and our products, both current and future, provide critical solutions to them. Going forward, we are confident that electric vehicles will be the choice of a growing number of car buyers and that energy and power generation will be important macroeconomic drivers, and we have an important role to play in both.
We continue to invest in our strategy to leverage our Aerogel technology platform into large dynamic markets. Our operational and financial performance in 2024 exceeded all expectations, and we believe we will continue to perform at a high level in the years to come. We are focused on profitable growth and believe that we are positioned to thrive and to win.
Ezra let's turn to Q&A, please.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

Thank you very much. (Operator Instructions)
Our first question comes from George Gianarikas with Canaccord Genuity
George, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

George Gianarikas

Hi, good morning, everyone.
Thank you for taking my questions.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Good morning.

George Gianarikas

So maybe, given the change in business strategy, can you just help us sort of quantify and think about what the long term. Financial profile slash business model looks like. What sort of EBITDA margin can we expect? What sort of revenue capacity? What sort of free cash flow margin do you think the enterprise is capable of producing over time?
Thank you.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Thanks George. Yeah, I mean, the margin targets remain unchanged. We want to do everything at 35% plus gross margins and to gear the company to deliver over 20% EBITDA on margins. The supply strategy does not change that. And in fact, as you've seen in the energy business, we picked up a couple of points of margin thanks through working with our external manufacturing supply.
And so, when we look at that for the EV thermal barrier business versus deploying an incremental $671 million of capital, it really is a no brainer, right? We can more modularly build up the supply source for that. We would not have gotten awards last year and this year if customers were not okay with that.
And Everything that we've discussed previously about our revenue potential and the pipeline remains the same. It's just that rather than supplying it now with one very large capacity original project, which is what Plan two was, we're going to incrementally build the capacity before him and you know Don and the team was actually in China here a couple of weeks ago looking at that capacity get built up and it's just really encouraging to see how that. We'll be there ready to supply all of this additional demand that we expect in as early as 2026 without requiring additional capital from us.

George Gianarikas

Thank you. Maybe as a follow up, so is China the jurisdiction in which you'll be building additional capacity for pyro thin, or is it, or are you exploring other geographies and how much Okay.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yeah, initially, yes, 2026.
Sorry, George, go for it.

George Gianarikas

So, the and the margin targets that you've talked about, those are inclusive of any tariffs, etc. In these other in from China.

Ricardo Rodriguez

That's correct.

George Gianarikas

Thank you.

Operator

Thank You very much. Our next question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer.
Colin, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Colin Rusch

Thanks so much guys. With the lower fixed cost, can you just walk us through timing on how we should start thinking about that that savings being realized and what the nature is of it?
Is that related to some of the scrap getting reduced in the manufacturing process, or is there, a process change that we should be thinking about in terms of, the production or is it really just related to, migrating some of the production into the contract manufacturing.

Ricardo Rodriguez

So, the cost reductions that Don and I mentioned, the roughly $8 million per quarter and $35 million that I mentioned, those are actually just structural costs. So, we are reducing, I mean we already reduced in the first half of this quarter several positions in the company. Looking at overhead in the operations as well as our op spend and external spend.
We mentioned that there are basically $3 million of restructuring charges that we expect to impact us here in Q1 and those are reflected in the guidance. But then from Q2 onwards, that's when we can start expecting these $8 million of savings from the fixed cost base.
Not material costs and other parts of the P&L, this is, I mean, we're in essence bringing the fixed cost structure of the company back to the levels that they were in roughly Q4 of 2023.
And obviously as we pick up upside from GM here in hopefully the second half of this year or even in Q2, we think that can yield several benefits and again our main focus with these actions is to protect the company's ability to generate a profit and generate cash flow.

Colin Rusch

That's super helpful and then from a customer perspective, you guys have been out, you know.
Working with customers for a number of years now, I'm curious about, not just with the pricing dynamic, but just in terms of the product development and integration into new vehicles.
Are you seeing any sort of acceleration in the sales cycle, any slowdown and any commentary around, kind of previous expectations for ramp with some of these European OEMs and timing of those production schedules would be helpful.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yeah, we see acceleration and adoption interest, but deceleration when it comes to ultimately the OEMs making the sourcing decision and launching these nameplates, right? With the Europeans, I think we all know what's going on at Northolt.
It's worth highlighting that our award with Audi and Scania was originally intended to be supplied with Northolt cells. We're actually in the middle of validating, the Plan B cell source for those programs. And just reiterating what I mentioned in my remarks, we do expect those guys to launch here towards the end of this year and in the first half of next year.

Colin Rusch

Great, thank you so much guys

Ricardo Rodriguez

I think some.

Operator

Thank you very much. Just as a reminder, we kindly ask you to please limit yourself to one question only. Our next question is from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum.
Eric, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Eric Stine

Hi Donna, Ricardo.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Hi Eric.

Eric Stine

Good morning. So, should we take it from your commentary? Is it fair to say that you think that the GM inventory is something that, largely normalizes in Q1 and then Ricardo in your in in the remarks you talked about looking at, the progression from '23 to your original '24 outlook as a way to about way to think about '25. Could you just be a little more specific? Are you saying.
Take the original outlook you had for '24 and kind of take that progression and grow it from there, just looking for some directional outlook, and I realized there are a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of headwinds here, at least in the near term, but that would be helpful.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yeah, I mean, the way we look at it is this way. Regardless of what General Motors is saying around their production targets and how many vehicles they're going to wholesale this year. We estimate that there are about 83,000 units, that there were about 83,000 units sitting in inventory at the end of the year.
And then I mean, we're dealing with the reality here, right? The production schedule is something that we've been, we get for 40 weeks out. In the near term it's pretty accurate and we started to see that come down here in December and January. And when we look at the inventory levels, we can, it's easy to understand why?
When it comes to Picking out the right level for the year. The reason why in my remarks I point folks to looking at our original expectations for last year which were basically of $200 million so doubling our 2023 levels. Using that as a jumping off point for then trying to size out 2025 makes more sense versus using the outperformance of $100 million on top of the $200 million that we were originally expecting for last year.
So, I think that the number can still be higher than what we delivered last year if General Motors truly gets to the 300,000-unit level.
But just based on the demand for parts and this inventory bank of vehicles, we just don't see it in Q1 and in Q2, it'll likely start ramping up again, but I mean, given the environment, given the $7500 credit.
You know that all those incentives that were so strong prior to the election for these OEMs to just build, incentivize and clear out EVs and offer cheap leases are not as prevalent here in 2025 or as clear, right?
And so, while we, I mean if GM gets the 300,000 vehicles plus more if we actually include the Honda and the Acura name plates, we will be ecstatic, right? It'll be a better year than last year. That's just not what we're seeing in Q1.

Eric Stine

Got it. So, to clarify jumping off point, you're just saying $200 million is a fair place to start and then make your judgment about how the remainder of the year plays out.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Correct, I mean we doubled '23 to 2024, right? Then we almost doubled that again and I think the growth rate for '25 could be somewhere in between a You know where we would have ended up in 2024 with our original expectations and doubling, right?

Eric Stine

Very helpful, thanks.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Anytime.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Chip Moore with ROTH. Chip, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Chip Moore

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I want to ask on, Statesboro, the capital you've deployed there, can you use some of the assets? How much capital is stranded and some of the equipment on the ground? What are your plans there?

Ricardo Rodriguez

Some of it, we are moving to Rhode Island to increase the throughput of that facility, particularly some post-processing equipment.
And then the rest, as we mentioned in the in the press release and in our remarks, I do think there's a lot of value there, and we'll work to capitalize it, capitalize on it, and there's a potential to send some of the equipment to the external manufacturing facility as well, which we'll be evaluating. But that's all happening now as we speak.

Chip Moore

Ricardo, and for, this sort of modular strategy and adding capacity as you need it, is there a thought on how quickly you can do that and stage that, obviously I would assume it was faster with external partners, but how do you think about that the first staging?

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yeah, I mean, again, going back to what we covered with with George, in essence. I mean we have to find a supply source for 2026. If you recall, plan two would not have been available until 2027.
And so, the facility that would supply this is being built right now as we speak, Don and the team was there in January. And the speed with which things get done there. It is really incredible. So, the goal is to have this facility online ready to supply in 2026.

Chip Moore

Got it. And if I could speak one last one in, back to capital and maybe, getting some more from Statesboro, you mentioned, organic and inorganic potentially uses of capital just expand on that and then even return to capital, you buy back or what are you thinking about there. Thanks.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yeah, I mean, I think we obviously want to see how the rest of the year plays out and even though we're playing it safe here in Q1.
There's no denying to the fact that we're sitting on $220 million of cash, right? And so, we have several R&D efforts that we could lever upon. If you take this strategy of mission critical materials that solve key problems where you can generate 35% gross margins, we do see several opportunities in that space.
And I do think that as we work our way through the year we're going to figure out what the right amount of cash on the balance sheet is and to what extent that there's, to whatever extent there's some excess cash, we always need to see where the equity is at I think at that point we could go out and reduce the share count.

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question is from Jeff Osborne with TD Cowen. Jeff, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Osborne

Yeah, thank you. Maybe just following up on a couple other questions before, as it relates to the annualized capacity with moving the Georgia equipment to Rhode Island and also the EMF expansion that Don saw in China.
Can you just give us an update on what that annualized capacity will be in 2026 and then adjacent to that or in relationship to that question, what is the process for qualifying Chinese-made pyro thin product with GM and others? Is that a re-qualification, rebidding, re-pricing process, or do they not care where it's made?

Ricardo Rodriguez

They don't care where it's made, it's basically another PAP for recertifying, and we're looking at adding that capacity increments of $150million to $200 million of supply per year.

Jeffrey Osborne

Then what will Rhode Island be with the equipment movement?

Ricardo Rodriguez

Rhode Island could be closer to $600 million.

Jeffrey Osborne

And China's 200 today and adding 150 to 200 more.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Correct.
And then with literally no limit to that, right? So we could replicate that several times over within China or even outside of China.

Jeffrey Osborne

Thanks Ricardo.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Anytime.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Anderson with Barclays. David, your line is now open. Please go ahead.
David, could we double check you're not muted at all?
We're going to have to go through to the next question with Ryan Pfingst with B. Riley. Ryan, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Ryan Pfingst

Yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking my question.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Hey Ryan

Ryan Pfingst

Hey Ricardo, for the Volvo commercial trucks program, could you give us an idea of CPV there and just broadly and you touched on it earlier, but do you see additional wins coming here in the near term or our OEMs maybe taking a wait and see approach as policy changes take hold.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Yes, so on the CPV, I mean it's comparable to our other commercial vehicle truck program to give you an idea, our on a 70 kilowatt to 90 kilowatt-hour prismatic battery, we would have roughly $300 of content.
This, I mean some of these batteries are up to 350. 300 plus kilowatt-hour size and so the CPV opportunity is meaningful. Without going into a ton of detail on the specifics of their configuration. To your question on just the broader environment. It's really interesting.
China is at 50% EV penetration already. In North America and Europe, we continue to double in this 10% to 15% level. So, you do start wondering, right, like Is that progress?
And so, While there's a lot of noise and uncertainty here around the US regulatory environment, It all really seems to be lower on the priority list relative to a bunch of other things that the new administration seems to be doing. And so really time will tell. That's why I think if you Look at some of what some of the OEMs are saying. They're all just sort of staying the course.
And putting out targets with an asterisk, right, basically saying, assuming the regulatory environment stays the same, this is what we're going to deliver.
And I think that is probably the right thing to do given how drawn out any regulatory changes are, right? I mean, the Trump administration basically ran out of time during the first term trying to amend the CAFE standards. So, this stuff takes quite a while and for companies to pivot. Too quickly, it's really expensive and they can end up earning a lot of capital that they just don't pay back.
Then in Europe, we just don't see the requirements being relieved at all. And so these with these OEMs being global and with our European customers, those guys are staying the course, still trying to build a certain level of EV mix. And four years within a 20-year transition of electrification is not a ton.
And so I do see some OEMs staying the course but being overly cautious as they deploy capital, right? The broader new vehicle market seems to be stressed as the Western OEMs lose China, and so that is having an effect on their CapEx budgets, and that I believe is ultimately why they are being a little slower to launch new vehicles, launch new name plates, and just source new technologies, including ours.
So, we are cautiously going into 2025, but this is stuff that we foresaw back in the beginning of 2023 when we re time plan too.

Ryan Pfingst

Got it. I appreciate that.
Call Ricardo.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Anytime.

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question is from Tom Curran with Seaport Research Partners. Tom, your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Tom Curran

Good morning, guys.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Hi Tom

Tom Curran

Just to clarify, Ricardo, try to put a fine point on it. Is what you're doing on the structural cost savings front.
Is that so that as we move through 2025 and head into 2026 and you have the incremental capacity coming online at the EMF in China and generating more production for EBITDA, is that all in the associated tariffs to ensure that you can defend. This hell or high-water baseline for gross margin of 35% or is it expected to actually generate upside and take you to a new higher run rate for gross margin.

Ricardo Rodriguez

No, I don't think it's really tied to gross margin. It's actually more to protect the EBITDA net income potential of the company. So, it's quite a bit of it is below the gross margin line. And it's to protect Q1 and protect the rest of 2025. Some of this is also just general housekeeping, right? When you go through an expansion as the one that we did.
You sit back and realize that some positions were critical and some you could do without. And and we just thought that it'd be prudent to do that early on going into this year regardless of the demand and supply outcomes.

Donald Young

Tom, I would just reiterate or emphasize if I could just emplify one point, when we talked about the $8 million per quarter. We've completed those actions. I thought by your question you might be suggesting that we are going to do it over the course of the year.
These actions have been taken.

Tom Curran

Got it. So it's all done. It's been fully implemented and you're 100% there SFT too.

Ricardo Rodriguez

Exactly, that's correct.

Tom Curran

Okay, great, helpful, and then shifting to EI Don could you share some colour on how the LNG and market is shaping up for 2025, do you expect it to, account for at least 30% of EI's revenue in 2025 and then how we might see the mix between US and international revenue of all over 2025 for EI.

Donald Young

Yeah. So, the LNG business, Tom, we know is strong. It was strong in 2024, and I think in this new environment. It's poised to be yet even stronger, and I do think Cryogels are coal processing materials.
They are headed to 30%. They're not quite there yet in terms of the split geographically, as I said in my comments, about 40% historically has been US based. It's interesting. Some of our larger LNG projects are located here in the US, so it's possible that number can shift around.
But our business in the other regions is strong as well, so it, I don't mean to suggest that that will be a meaningful or dramatic change, I guess I should say, but we are in we're in good shape in this business, of course.
Some uncertainty on the EV side, the flip side of that is, some pretty clear tailwinds on the energy industrial side, and by the way, it's terrific to be able to be unconstrained in our capacity for that business here in 2025.

Tom Curran

Understood. I appreciate you taking my questions.

Donald Young

Thanks Tom

Operator

Thank you very much.
We currently have no more questions.
That marks the end of our Q&A session. I will now hand back over to Don for any closing remarks.

Donald Young

Thank you, Ezra. We appreciate your interest, as always in Aspen Aerogels and look forward to reporting, to you our first quarter results in early May.
Be well. Have a good day.
Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much, Don, and thank you, Neal and Ricardo for being our speakers today.
Thank you everyone for joining. We appreciate your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.