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Jason Warnick

Okay. Thanks, Vlad. Q1 was another quarter of profitable growth as revenues grew 50% year-over-year and EPS more than doubled. Our focus on profitable growth drove 72% incremental margins as adjusted EBITDA margin expanded by 11 points from a year ago. And over the past 12 months, revenues reached $3.3 billion, and adjusted EBITDA was $1.7 billion as we continue to grow and diversify our business.
It's also great to see momentum continuing into the second quarter. April net deposits are around $6.5 billion. Equities trading is a 4-year high. Options are in the zone of an all-time high, and crypto trading is north of $8 billion. Also, margin balances are about $8.4 billion, which is up 2x from last year.
I'm pleased with our customers' continued engagement. It's driven by a greater share of active traders who tend to stay resilient through volatility, continued market share gains and diversification into newer areas like Robinhood Legend, advisory, futures and index options. Let's take a closer look at our Q1 financials compared to a year ago. Q1 revenues were $927 million driven by strong growth across the board. Transaction volumes increased by double digits across all categories, including up 84% year-over-year in equities, and we saw record options volume in the quarter.
Interest-earning assets and securities lending activity continued to grow, more than offsetting short-term rates, and other revenues grew as Gold subscriptions reached new highs. We also stayed disciplined on expenses, leading to 51% adjusted EBITDA margins. In Q1, adjusted OpEx and SBC was $533 million, in the middle of our updated full year outlook range on a quarterly basis. As we previously announced, we anticipate approximately $85 million of costs from TradePMR in 2025. So we updated our full year outlook for adjusted OpEx and SBC to $2.085 billion to $2.185 billion.
As a reminder, this outlook does not include costs from our anticipated acquisition of Bitstamp or provisions for credit losses. Let's talk for a moment about how we're diversifying our business. You've heard me say that we have 9 businesses that each generate over $100 million in annualized revenues, nearly double the number we had just a couple of years ago. And I'm excited to say we have many more that are quickly scaling. For example, we've recently launched 3 new products, futures, index options and prediction markets, where the ARR for each of them individually is already around $20 million.
And with the addition of TradePMR, we've added a business that has a $50 million run rate and a nice track record for growth. And there are several more businesses that we recently announced and expect to begin contributing later this year, including Robinhood Strategies, Robinhood Banking and our acquisition of Bitstamp in the middle of the year. So we're incredibly excited about all these new businesses, and I like our opportunity to build many of them into additional $100 million revenue businesses in the coming years. I also want to give an update on our share repurchase program. You'll recall we began executing on our $1 billion share repurchase plan in Q3 last year with target completion over 2 to 3 years.
Since then, we've moved faster and have deployed over $650 million at an average price of $33 per share. This includes over $300 million of buybacks in Q1, which more than offset share issuance for TradePMR. Given our strong performance and positive outlook, our Board has increased the authorization by $500 million, taking the program up to a total of $1.5 billion. We expect to deploy the remaining $800 million plus over roughly the next 2 years, but we're keeping flexibility to accelerate if market conditions warrant. So we feel great about our business and financial results and remain focused on driving another year of profitable growth in 2025.
We're continuing to work to maximize earnings per share and free cash flow per share over time. With that, Chris, let's move to Q&A.

Question and Answer Session

Chris Koegel

All right. Thank you, Jason. For the Q&A session, we'll start by answering the top few questions from Say Technologies ranked by the number of votes. We passed over questions that we have already addressed on this call or in prior quarters and grouped together questions that shared a common theme. After the Say questions, we'll turn to live questions from our analysts.
So let's kick it off with our first question from Say. [Patrick] asks, what is Robinhood doing to accelerate credit cards and checking accounts to their Gold members?

Jason Warnick

Thanks for the questions. I'll start with the Gold Card and maybe turn it over to you, Vlad, for banking. As I've mentioned, it's really important for us to study customer behavior as we roll out the card. We've been doing that and have increased the number of cardholders from 100,000 to over 200,000 just in Q1. So far, what we're seeing in terms of customer behavior is in line with our expectations, so we feel good.
And we plan to continue increasing the number of cardholders throughout the year. But along the way, we're going to continue to be measured in the near term. Vlad?

Vladimir Tenev

Thanks, Jason. Yes. On the banking side, so we announced at The Lost City of Gold event back in March Robinhood Banking. And the philosophy behind this product is that we want to build a compelling banking experience for the top of market. So if you're someone who's a high-net-worth individual with more assets, we wanted to provide a digital banking experience where you would feel like you're not making compromises relative to your brick-and-mortar bank.
And I don't think any digital bank has taken that approach. So we're extremely excited. We've been testing the product internally. It's looking really good. I think you're going to like it.
And at the event, we announced rolling out to the public in Q3, and we feel good about that date. So stay tuned. The team has been working incredibly hard.

Chris Koegel

The next question is from [Nico] who asks, when will users be able to invest in private companies such as SpaceX?

Vladimir Tenev

Yeah, so, this is actually one of our top policy priorities. We believe that, it, it's actually quite crazy that customers can't invest in private companies given that private companies are staying private longer the days of, Microsoft going public at a multi 100 million market cap, or Apple at relatively low market caps in.
Yes. So this is actually one of our top policy priorities. We believe that it's actually quite crazy that customers can't invest in private companies, given that private companies -- companies are staying private longer. The days of Microsoft going public at a multi-hundred million market cap or Apple at relatively low market caps and you being able to take advantage of a lot of the appreciation in public markets, they're fewer and far between. Now you have companies like OpenAI and SpaceX still private and in valuations of hundreds of billions.
So those gains are accruing to a smaller and smaller group of insiders. We have the technology to do this. And in fact, I wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post that tokenizing private equities is a huge unlock both for individuals, but also for these companies and for crypto technology, which can actually solve a lot of the problems in secondary market transactions that have been tried thus far. What's needed is comprehensive security legislation in the U.S. and also for us to rethink the accredited investor rules, which shut out north of 80% of the public currently.
So both of those we're making progress on. We're in active discussions. There's definitely a willingness from the administration and lawmakers to engage in these issues. So stay tuned, but we believe we're going to make progress here.

Chris Koegel

Great. And then the last question is from [Paul] who asks, when will Robinhood offer 401(k) plans to businesses?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. Thanks, Paul. Our 10-year arc, our long-term arc is to build the #1 global financial ecosystem. And what that means is expanding our business from retail only, which it pretty much is now, to also serving businesses and institutions and also expanding from primarily U.S. to being a full global platform serving customers everywhere, regardless of whether they're individual retail, businesses or institutions.
And so when we look at that B2B opportunity, we think businesses and institutions have fundamentally similar needs in many ways to retail. The things that we're building, the innovations we're building for retail, things like 24-hour trading, rock-bottom margin rates also appeal to institutions and businesses. And there are so many opportunities. 401(k) administration for businesses is one. You also look at things like employee stock plan administration for public companies.
You look at institutional prime brokerage, and of course, serving registered investment advisors, which we're now getting into through TradePMR. And we think that's an enormous opportunity to serve businesses. If we look at registered investment advisors, it's a business that has an additional layer of compounding. So not only are we taking advantage of the great wealth transfer where young people are going to be making more and more money over time. We're getting more customers.
But as we get more advisers, that's a third layer of asset growth. So for the near term, we're working really hard to integrate the TradePMR team and technology, build a great experience serving registered investment advisors. We want to make sure we stay super focused and we don't take on too much. So that's been our B2B focus for the near term. But over the long term, we do think 401(k) is a sizable opportunity that we'd be excited to tackle alongside all of the other things in our 10-year arc.

Chris Koegel

Great. All right. Thank you, Vlad. That concludes our shareholder questions from Say Technologies. Now we will open the call to Q&A.
(Event Instructions) Chris Allen at Citi.

Chris Allen

The health of the retail customer is a big focus in the current environment. I was wondering if you could peel back or provide some additional color on April -- metrics you provided were very solid. Curious if margin balances kind of improved towards the back half of the month, whether you've seen net new account openings. And the strong deposit numbers, are those coming from existing customers or new customers, too?

Jason Warnick

Chris, thanks. It's Jason. I'll take it, and Vlad, feel free to add in. So we saw incredibly strong engagement across the board, not just in Q1, but it continued into April as we said. And it was throughout the month of April.
So I wouldn't say it was front loaded or back loaded. It was really a strong month in total. We're seeing strong additions, as Vlad alluded to, to Robinhood Gold, and the strength in net deposits is pretty diverse. And what's different about us today than perhaps a few years ago is there's just a lot more options for customers to place their assets, whether it's the growth in retirement, the nascent growth in strategies, certainly brokerage. We're also seeing it go into crypto.
So I'd say that there's a pretty broad-based strength of retail engagement that we're seeing, and all signs are positive throughout the month of April.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. The only thing I'd add to that is, unlike where the business was back in 2022 where we were predominantly focused on novice investors, the new focus on being the best platform for active traders has made us more resilient in times like these because we used to just not have a lot of mechanisms for customers that were more sophisticated that wanted to trade sideways or declining markets. They just couldn't engage in that super easily on Robinhood. But just recently, we've launched futures. And as we shared, futures had a very, very significant growth in April with over 4.5 million contracts traded, outright contracts.
We've rolled out an amazing experience for multi-leg options trading on mobile, the side-by-side chain, which will make it easier for advanced traders to engage in the multi-leg strategies. And Robinhood Legend continues to grow and get better. So now we have multiple mechanisms for these active traders to engage no matter what the market environment is in. So even though we're diversifying the business with 9 business lines of over $100 million and we're getting less reliant upon trading in the revenue mix, even within trading, it's becoming more resilient. So I think we're very excited about that, and there's still more to come.

Chris Koegel

Great. Thank you, Jason. Thank you a lot.

Operator

Dan Dolev, Mizuho.

Dan Dolev

Hey guys, hey Jason, hey blood, Great quarter as always, very impressive. Really quick, looks like Robinhood Gold is doing really, really well. And hopefully, I didn't miss and it was already addressed, but this seems to be growing way faster than we had expected. Like what should we be thinking about in terms of like the trajectory of the growth here? Because it seems to be -- I think you had $550,000 quarter-over-quarter increase this quarter. So maybe just some color on like how big it could be and just the velocity there, which seems to be very impressive. Thank you.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. Maybe I'll share some higher-level thoughts. Jason, feel free to add in. Yes, our aspiration -- I already think Robinhood Gold is the best deal in financial services. But I think the aspiration is to actually make it on par with the best membership loyalty programs out there.
So we're not just looking at financial services as a benchmark. And in reality, these types of products are, until we came along, relatively unique in our industry. But we're looking at things like the Costco membership. Amazon Prime is an inspiration. And we're really sort of like students of this.
And I think that the improvements that we've made in day 1 and Q1 attach rate, which have been tremendous, are just the beginning. I think that when you keep hearing how crazy high of a value Gold is and why we don't raise the price, not just from analysts, but also customers, I think we feel very good we're on the right track in -- credit card is continuing to roll out. That's in the relatively early stages. Banking, which is going to be a Gold-only product, that's looking really, really good. So as far as we can see, the Gold road map is looking very solid.

Chris Koegel

Great.

Operator

Devin Ryan at Citizens.

Devin Ryan

Hey Vlat, hey Jason, how are you?
Hey, Devin.
I want to ask a question on crypto specifically. You've seen a little bit of a pullback. Record fourth quarter, and we know that was kind of particularly elevated. But would love to just get a little bit of color from what you're seeing or hearing from customers there because it's still very active. And I know you're going to have the update in June.
So I don't want to completely front run it. But at the same time, I'm curious kind of the level of urgency to do more as this industry is getting unlocked. We're hearing more about kind of a race on stablecoins. And so I'd just love to kind of get a sense of how hard you guys are pushing there and then also just the engagement from customers just given that we're off the highs a little bit.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes, yes. So I mean crypto had an awesome quarter. We had about $260 million in revenue for the quarter, which was the second-highest quarter in recent years. Last quarter, obviously, was higher than that. But it's going to go up and down in terms of trading volumes.
But what we like to look at is market share. And if industry volumes are going down but market share is going up for Robinhood and we're continuing to unlock and add more selection and add more products, we feel like we're doing very, very well. So the team has been cranking. There have been a slew of improvements both for traders and coming down the pike, but more selection, smart exchange routing. And the team has been executing a lot, and there's so much to do.
So we're excited for the June event. But I'd also tell you we're diversifying the business outside of the crypto business, which will make us less reliant on crypto transaction volumes. But also within crypto, there's going to be diversification over time. So crypto itself will diversify and be less reliant on transaction volumes in the future.

Operator

Great, thanks a lot. [Roy, Crossroads].

I really enjoyed getting that early look at Robinhood Strategies and seeing what that platform is about and what you guys have been building. And I'm curious if you could give us any early read on that product as far as how it's being approached by customers, how many are actually looking at that.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. Yes, absolutely. So we shared earlier over 40,000 customers already, over $100 million in assets on Strategies. I'm sure you've seen some of the engagement on social, customers sharing their portfolios and talking about how, despite sort of like the volatility of the times we're in, product's been holding up very, very well. So it's continuing to grow.
We're adding more and more features based on demand, but early read has been tremendously positive from the customers that have it.

Operator

Patrick Moley at Piper.

Patrick Moley

So I wanted to touch on the futures offering again. You mentioned that you've seen 4.5 million contracts traded in April. So it sounds like that's picking up pretty nicely. So just curious where that volume is coming from? Is that existing customers?
Are you finding that you're winning customers from other brokerage platforms there? And then any specific commentary that you can give on whether there are specific products or specific asset classes that you're finding your customers are migrating to?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes, yes. So I think it's a little bit early to give you sort of like the full read, but we're seeing good signs of these volumes being incremental, actually. And the reason we can tell is we look at a lot of our futures traders, they also are trading equities and other assets. And you're actually seeing the power of having multiple assets in one platform shine through there. And really, the thing that futures allows customers to do, easy ability to take short positions, which we still don't have equity shorting.
And while that's coming, it's sort of an outlet for that type of advanced systematic trading. We have the latter. And we also have those markets trading around the clock. So it's really opening up new behaviors and new styles of trading for our active traders. So that's, I think, why it's seen such good adoption, plus the product experience that the team -- the futures team has built.
They've done a really nice job, particularly on the mobile ladder. And there's more to do, futures on Legend, for example, and making it available also to outside the U.S. as we continue to expand there.

Chris Koegel

Great.

Operator

Craig Siegenthaler at Bank of America.

Craig Siegenthaler

So my question is on Cortex. Are you going to charge for this product? Or is it offered -- or will it be offered for free to your Gold subscribers? And is the launch planned towards the end of the year, 4Q '25?

Vladimir Tenev

For Cortex?

Craig Siegenthaler

Yeah.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. We'd like to -- I think we'd like to get it a little bit before then. Teams have been working hard to get that out. And Cortex is -- what you saw announced in The Lost City of Gold event is just the beginning. So we announced Cortex for Stock Digest that will help customers answer the question of what's going on with the stock, also Trade Builder, which will help customers execute on an options trading strategy given a viewpoint and a selection of a particular stock.
And it will be for Gold subscribers. So right now, no plans to charge additional fee. We want to give this technology to our Gold customers. And you should see it actually permeating the entire Robinhood experience. So this is just the start, but we're already thinking about how to integrate it more deeply into flows for active traders across different platforms.
And also, we're continuing to make progress improving the operations of the company and also the customer service through AI. So while maybe that's less overt, it's incredibly powerful because it gives customers resolution, really effective resolution whenever they run into issues.

Operator

James Yaro at Goldman Sachs.

James Yaro

So Vlad, I want to ask a longer-term crypto one for you. We've now seen all 3 U.S. banking regulators shift their posture to allow them to participate in the crypto ecosystem. What role do you expect U.S. banks to play across both retail and wealth versus institutional crypto?
And what does this mean for competition and pricing in the U.S. crypto markets?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. I would just put out there, I like our positioning. It's always hard to speculate on what competitors may or may not do before they have products in market. And we're focused on driving innovation here. So obviously, we've done well on the trading side.
We think crypto is interesting as a foundational technology that could actually improve a wide variety of financial services, not just spot crypto trading. So we think we're just in the early innings of having this technology permeate the financial system. And we're excited to see what not just we bring to market, but what others can do partnering with us and just independently as well.

Jason Warnick

I think as more competitors enter the market, it makes crypto more mainstream, which makes the market bigger. And I think we've been demonstrating our ability to take market share. So I really like our competitive position.

Chris Koegel

The next question is from [Amit at AmitIsInvesting].

Amit Kukreja

Vlad, Jason, congrats again on a great quarter. My question here is on the promotion you guys ran for the 2% match in March. Jason, I know you said you love the unit economics on these matches. Can you give us a little bit of insight on the types of customers you brought over in March and if you think the 2% match is sustainable to continue bringing over more of the wealthier clients?

Jason Warnick

You bet. So first of all, incredible engagement by customers, record level of net deposits. The promotions were not the majority of that. In fact, they were, in Q1, less than 15%. Customers love it.
We love it. And you're right, Amit, I love the economics of it. The payback periods are really attractive, consistently below across all of our promotions, below the clawback periods on that. In terms of the kinds of customers that we're getting, we're getting large customers. The average customer transfer per user was $90,000 overall.
So we're getting large customers. And then what's really interesting is for taxable accounts -- because we had taxable and nontaxable promotions. For taxable accounts, it was double that. So over $180,000 average ACAT transfer in for the promotion. So we really love these promotions.
We like the customers that we're getting, and they tend to have larger balances.

Chris Koegel

Matt O'Neill at FT Partners.

Matt O'Neill

I joined a little bit late, so apologies if this has already been discussed. But just curious around crypto pricing. It seems like things are moving in the direction that they have been for a number of quarters now. Maybe you could just discuss kind of where that stands as far as the experimentation that continues as well as -- I believe there's some further experimentation going on with volume-based pricing.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. You want to hit that, Jason?

Jason Warnick

Sure. I mean we're continuing to experiment. We've been seeing the take rates come up sequentially for several quarters now. What I'd say is that when we look at take rates for crypto for the month of April, it's in a similar zone to where we were at in Q1. I do think the big opportunity for us on experimenting is tiered pricing.
While Robinhood has really attractive pricing on average, I think that there's a big opportunity for us for the highest volume traders of crypto to get a better price for Robinhood. And that's what we're really experimenting with. And we like what we're seeing so far, but we're still pretty early in those experiments.

Chris Koegel

Brian Bedell at Deutsche Bank.

Brian Bedell

Thanks. Good afternoon. Maybe just going back to the net deposits in March and the continued traction in April on the actual active trader mix within those net deposits. So you talked about the $180,000 average balance on the taxable side. Either Jason or Vlad, can you talk about what you're seeing from active traders coming into the complex and the usage on Legend? I think the last time you quoted that, it was about a $50 million run rate. I don't know if there's an update to that. And maybe just talk about the plans for Legend as we roll out through the year.

Jason Warnick

Maybe I'll start, Vlad, and then you can kind of fill in. So last quarter, we said $50 million ARR. We didn't update it this quarter. We'll just update that periodically. But I can tell you that we've seen strong growth sequentially in volumes through Legend as active traders continue to adopt and engage with the product and as we continue to (technical difficulty) Legend.
One thing that's really nice is that when we look at incrementality, the vast majority of the volumes that are coming through Legend are incremental. So that's super encouraging.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. And in terms of road map for Legend throughout the year, rounding out the feature set. So futures on Legend is oft requested. Customers want to see the latter, which they love on mobile, on Legend as well, and then continuing to refine and improve the active trader experience. And also the live streamer experience.
So we've added a bunch of new widgets, snapshot to make live streaming on Legend better and better. So the velocity of this team continues to be really, really strong. And we've got more in store even prior to the active trader event in the latter half of the year.

Chris Koegel

Ben Budish at Barclays.

Ben Budish

I was wondering if you could -- Jason, if could you talk a little bit more about what you're seeing on the credit side. I'm particularly curious about your expectations for credit loss provisioning for the year. I know it's a hard one to model and probably a hard one to guide to. I think in the last quarter, you said it should run maybe like around like the $20 million range. It came in a little bit higher than that, which I'm sure is somewhat in response to the changing macro backdrop.
But how are you thinking about -- how should we be thinking about that line? And any other color you can provide in terms of credit behavior? Are people using this card as -- are they accruing balances? Are they maximizing for points? What sort of activity are you seeing? How do you think about sort of managing credit risk in this environment?

Jason Warnick

Yes, sure. So first of all, we really like what we're seeing from our customers. Delinquency rates, write-offs are all very, very low and in line with our expectations. And when we look at broader industry data, there's nothing that we're seeing that's particularly concerning. That said, we're continuing to have pretty tight underwriting standards so that we build a book of business that can be resilient regardless of the backdrop.
In terms of the provision for credit losses this quarter, I'd actually point you to on the brokerage side, not on the credit card side. We had a step-up in some brokerage-related losses, not related to margin book, but more kind of fraud-related. Team is all over it, not something I'm worried about. But in terms of the Gold Card, we like what we're seeing in terms of the customer behavior. We are seeing a nice ramp in the revolve rates, which is in line with our expectations.
And customers are engaging with the card in a variety of ways, using it for all types of purchases, and they're certainly enjoying the 3% rewards on the card. So far, so good. We continue to hold the path. We added 100,000 cardholders in Q1, and we intend to continue to add cardholders throughout the year. In terms of the expectations for provision, I would expect it to just increase gradually through the year as we roll out more cards.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. And product experience for the credit card app keeps getting better and better, and it's going to continue to improve, particularly when it becomes the banking app. So we're excited for that in the coming months.

Chris Koegel

Alex Markgraff at KeyBanc.

Alex Markgraff

Jason, maybe one for you on just sort of taking all of these new products together and understanding that there might be some yield differential, if you will, or an advisory and things like that. Could you just sort of speak to contribution margin and how you manage that line as you launch and scale new products at different price points, different monetization levels?

Jason Warnick

Yes, absolutely. Every business that we go into has different economic characteristics. Some might have lower return on assets. Some might be more monetized just directly from trading activity. What I would tell you is that what we're trying to optimize for over time is just increasing earnings per share and free cash flow per share.
And I think as a technology company, we're incredibly well positioned to serve a variety of different businesses with a variety of different economic characteristics at a really low incremental cost, and that's leading to pretty high incremental margins. You can see this kind of in our overall business as we're growing revenue much, much faster than our bottom line costs. So we're seeing really nice leverage and 100% increase year-over-year in earnings per share.
So we feel really good about just continuing to stay focused on the customer, our 3 priorities of number 1 in active traders, number 1 in wallet share for the next generation and number 1 in global financial ecosystem. And if we think -- we think if we stay focused on the customer and keep our primary financial lens on growth of earnings per share, we're heading in the right direction.

Chris Koegel

John Todaro at Needham.

John Todaro

Hey guys. It's on prediction markets. So $1 billion traded over the last 6 months. Does that basically leave us with $500 million, $1 million or so that are -- that was outside the November election? And then any sense how much was kind of March Madness or sports-related versus other events?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes, that's right. I'll be happy to field that one. So out of the $1 billion contracts traded, yes, just less than half of that has been sports. And that's March Madness, but we also had the Masters, and now there's NHL and NBA contracts as well. So the plan is still continue making the product better.
Now that we have so many contracts, discoverability and organization is something that the team is looking at. And we think that this is an incredibly powerful, nascent asset class. And you should see more and more contracts and a wide variety of contracts over time. So we love what we're seeing, and it's so early that the potential of this is vast.

Chris Koegel

The next question is from [Tenner, Future Investing].

Great quarter. Can you hear me?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes, we hear you.
We hear you. How are you doing?

Within the new verticals like you guys have with event contracts and credit cards, are you guys attracting new users onto the platform without simply going to brokerage first? Any insights on that? And if they're upgrading to Gold or eventually cross-selling to other products would be great.
Yeah, absolutely. It's a mix. I think what what you're starting, what you typically see to begin with is, we like to test it among existing users, particularly the most active users tend to be.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes, absolutely. It's a mix. I think what you're starting -- what you typically see, to begin with, is we like to test it among existing users. Particularly, the most active users tend to be, yes, the earliest to adopt, and we have a large installed base of north of 25 million funded accounts, which I think has been a huge differentiator for us relative to other businesses launching products. So we have lots of channels where customers can discover products, different cross-sell services in product and also marketing activities and referral activities.
So depending on the product, we use one or multiple of those. And credit card is a little bit unique because that one top of funnel has been relatively easy. As you know, there's about 3 million on the wait list, and we're rolling it out rapidly. But our thesis that by offering a great product experience with great economics, we wouldn't have to pay the gigantic cost of customer acquisition that the incumbents have gotten used to paying seems to be bearing out. So we're excited about that.

Jason Warnick

I would just add that Robinhood Gold does play a pretty important part in this. When you become a Robinhood Gold customer you bring in more balances, you deposit at a higher rate. And importantly, on the cross-sell point, you're much more likely to adopt more products. And so take retirement accounts as an example, like 4 times more likely as a Gold customer versus an average customer to have a retirement account. And so I think they have 5 times the assets.
And so being a Gold customer is kind of central to our strategy for cross-sell. And then as we continue to offer new and interesting products, our customers are discovering them at a faster rate.

Chris Koegel

Brett Knoblauch at Cantor.

Thomas Shinske

Hi Vlad and Jason, this is Thomasinsky on for Brett Outla.
Thank you for taking my question and congrats on another great quarter. Thanks Tom. This is Thomas Shinske on for Brett Knoblauch. Congrats on another great quarter. I just wanted to touch on the launch of the (technical difficulty) routing for crypto trading. I know we've touched a little bit on crypto pricing here, but I just wanted to see how adoption has been amongst traders for the smart exchange routing and how we should think about the impact on your blended crypto take rate over the next few quarters as adoption for this new product grows.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. Yes. It's still early. It's in the relatively early stages of rolling out, and we're experimenting with it. So far, results look good.
In particular, for the active traders that are engaging with the order book directly through tools like Legend or even on mobile, they want to be able to interact with the order book and see the price. And we -- it also gives us the ability, as Jason mentioned earlier, to give preferential pricing to customers that trade more. So overall philosophy is as you bring more and more of your activity to Robinhood, whether that means crypto trading activity, if you're an active trader, or just assets, the experience should get even better for you. So that's kind of the long-term goal. The more of your activity, the more of your assets you bring to Robinhood and the longer you are with us, the better the experience gets.
And I don't think that's actually universal. Most other financial services products are the opposite. They kind of get worse for you the more money you have. So yes, stay tuned, but that's kind of where crypto is headed. I think in the future, there will be more customization and pricing depending on your activity and sort of your engagement with the overall Robinhood platform.

Jason Warnick

And I don't -- I would just add that I don't think that tiered pricing necessarily means a lower blended rate. I think the big opportunity is bringing in volumes, trading volumes that are today not coming to Robinhood. And so we'll have to see how that plays out. As we mentioned, it's small today, and April take rates are in line with what we saw in Q1.

Chris Koegel

Edward Engel at Compass Point.

Edward Engel

Most of my questions have been asked already, but I just wanted to touch on TradePMR. You talked about $85 million of incremental costs for this year. I guess as we kind of exit the year to 2026, what does kind of that core run rate cost base look like? Is there any opportunities for savings there?

Jason Warnick

Yes. I would just say that in that $85 million is including deal-related costs. So we have an opportunity to take that number down, particularly by the -- by next quarter even as we move forward.

Chris Koegel

Kyle Voigt at KBW.

Kyle Voigt

Maybe another question on crypto, but on the regulatory side. Last quarter, you noted that more regulatory clarity was needed to offer crypto staking. I just wanted to get an update on that. And really wondering whether you'd be satisfied with guidance from the SEC. Or do you need to see a more comprehensive crypto market infrastructure bill or regulatory framework path to get comfort there?
And then in terms of the comprehensive kind of crypto bill, was there anything proposed in the prior FIT21 digital asset bill that would cause or necessitate any material changes to your current operating model for crypto more broadly?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. We don't see anything that's concerning with regards to the crypto operating model. But there are opportunities. I think the big opportunity is clarity on listing crypto asset securities and actually not just for brokers to be able to list these assets, but also for issuers to issue these assets. I think that will unlock a ton of economic value for the crypto industry in the U.S.
So that's been kind of our primary policy objective in Washington when it comes to crypto. I think it's been good in the sense like not having a regulation by enforcement posture has been a boon to the industry. But now we have an opportunity to go further and make this technology useful to everyday people and to institutions in a real big way. So that's kind of what we're working towards in Washington.

Chris Koegel

Evan at StockMKTNewz.

Evan Gold

My question -- congrats to the entire team on a fantastic quarter. I want to talk a little bit more about -- you guys are adding a bunch of new products and features and business lines. I wanted to ask a little bit about time spent on the app and users' minutes and if you guys have seen any changes and if that's something you guys are watching and optimizing for.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. Yes, great question. We've traditionally done very, very well on those types of metrics. I mean people find the Robinhood app very engaging, despite the fact that we don't spend a ton of time or efforts driving that. The efforts are all on making great products, making sure that customers retain really well and build a great product experience and more recently, driving Gold subscription, the retention of Gold subscribers.
So really, thus far, the focus has been on making it easy for customers to get in, making it easy for them to adopt the Gold subscription. And once they have Gold, sort of like facilitating them seeing the value across all of the products that are on the platform. And then making sure we uphold the commitment to having a great product experience throughout the journey. Not to say that there aren't opportunities, and we're actually investing more in building out our related teams there on the growth in the marketing side. But yes, thus far, it's been focused on making sure the products are really, really high quality and customers are experiencing tremendous value from using that, and Robinhood Gold in particular.

Jason Warnick

One of the things I'm excited about is the potential for Cortex to make the app even that much more engaging throughout a day. So -- but looking forward to seeing the team execute on that one.

Chris Koegel

Ken Worthington at JPMorgan.

Ken Worthington

I'd love to get some better insights into sort of the event and prediction market business. Are these participants more like your equity option or crypto customers today? What sort of penetration would you expect in the prediction markets of these customers over time? And then do prediction market customers have sort of higher or lower velocity than the other segments of your business? Are these like super active?
Or are they more or less active? Like where do they fit into the continuum of your customers?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. I think the great thing about this business -- about the prediction markets business is it appeals to a broad range of customers. And we actually see very, very different behaviors even within prediction markets when you talk about different contracts. So for example, the group of customers that engages with the economic prediction markets is not the same group of customers that engages with the Masters, for instance. And so many of young people who are our customer base love sports and love following news and current events.
So actually, what you see is like pretty wide dispersion. Yes, it's not like other assets where if you're an options trader, a number of options traders are coming and primarily engaging with that. You see these customers engaging in a wide spectrum of assets and sort of like trading activity quite broad and varied among the rest of our products.

Ken Worthington

Okay, great.

Jason Warnick

Thank you. Thanks, Ken.

Chris Koegel

Steven Chubak at Wolfe.

Steven Chubak

Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for squeezing me in here. Jason, you typically provide near-term guidance on NII. And I was hoping you could speak to where you expect NII to land in 2Q based on spot or current balances. And with 4 cuts reflected in the forward curve, it might be helpful if you could provide an updated sensitivity to interest rate cuts.

Jason Warnick

Yes. Thank you, Steven. So we didn't provide specific guidance for NII. What I'd tell you is that when we look at the effect, again, just isolating for a 25 basis point cut, the impact would be, on a stand-alone basis, about $50 million as a headwind. Now when we look at over the last year, the rates have come down quite a bit, yet we have grown our interest-earning assets at a pace that has outpaced the effect of dropping rates.
And so it's a little misleading to just hold everything constant and say $50 million. So we're continuing to gather assets from customers, and we've seen a really nice growth in interest-earning assets. And then I know you've heard me say many times, we also believe that we've got a really nice natural hedge between interest rates and trading. So as rates come down, there's an expectation that we have that trading would go up and provide a nice offset to any impact there.

Chris Koegel

Mike Cyprys at Morgan Stanley.

Mike Cyprys

Just a question on 24/5 markets. I was hoping you could talk about the traction that you're seeing from clients in your overnight sessions, how that's contributing today. And talk about some of the steps that you're taking to drive greater customer uptake of this. And if you look out 3 to 5 years, what does success look like here for your 24/5 markets? What portion of equities options line do you think this could represent for Robinhood?

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. I mean 24 market -- 24-hour market is continuing to grow. Obviously, you see bursts of engagement when macro events are happening after hours or on weekends. And there, you've just -- you see it in 24-hour market first. And I think you're seeing it become a standard.
So probably 5 years from now, you're not really going to be talking about 24-hour market and sort of like core market. It will become table stakes for any platform servicing active traders to offer this type of feature and to kind of follow us in there. I think you're going to see the exchanges offered as well. So it will be an anomaly for something to not be available on 24-hour market. I think it becomes even more imperative when you start looking at international expansion.
As we get into Europe and Asia where there's less and less overlap with U.S. East Coast working hours, that's just going to be another tailwind for increased volumes and adoption. But I think the long-term trend is 24/7 for every tradable asset.

Chris Koegel

James Yaro at Goldman Sachs.

James Yaro

I just want to touch on Bitstamp. When the deal is closed, could you just help us think about what that acquisition could mean for the way you route your crypto orders in terms of internalization as well as the crypto take rate? And obviously recognizing the deal will add institutional volumes, so that could pressure the blended take rate if you don't break that out. But -- so maybe if you could just isolate the impact on your retail crypto take rate.

Vladimir Tenev

Yes. We're very excited about Bitstamp, the oldest and longest-running crypto exchange out there. So that makes Robinhood the oldest and longest continuously running crypto exchange, which is very exciting. Still middle of the year for close. I don't want to front run any specific announcements on what we're going to do.
But what I'll tell you is institutional is a big opportunity for us. We're obviously not really in that space yet, but we see a lot of opportunity. And also international, Bitstamp has a global presence. Crypto is increasingly global. We're going to do more and more there.
And in terms of customer execution quality, at the end of the day, the goal is to give customers choice and to provide a great execution experience. And Bitstamp certainly will play a role in that. We think it just gives us another lever to give our active traders more ways to execute their orders.

Chris Koegel

Okay. Well, that concludes the Q&A portion of our call. Before we end the call, Vlad, I'll turn it back to you for any closing comments.

Vladimir Tenev

Yeah, I mean I just want to say thank you, guys, for joining us again. Second live video earnings call. I think we're going to continue to do it. I think they're going to get better and better.
But really, we've got a lot of work to do. It's going to be a busy year. The road map is incredibly full. So thank you for being on this journey with us and for listening and to the analysts and investors, retail and institutional, who continue to engage with the company. So we're by no means slowing down.
It's going to be a busy year for us. And looking forward to seeing many of you at the France crypto event.