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Q1 2025 Ribbon Communications Inc Earnings Call

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Participants

Joni Roberts; Global Chief Marketing Officer, Senior Vice President; Ribbon Communications Inc

Bruce McClelland; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Ribbon Communications Inc

John Townsend; Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer; Ribbon Communications Inc

Dave Kang; Analyst; B. Riley Securities

Christian Schwab; Analyst; Craig-Hallum Capital Group

Timothy Savageaux; Analyst; Northland Capital Markets

Rustam Kanga; Analyst; Citizens JMP

Presentation

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Ribbon Communications first-quarter 2025 financial results conference call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Joni Roberts, Chief Marketing Officer. Please go ahead.

Joni Roberts

Good afternoon, and welcome to Ribbon's first-quarter 2025 financial results conference call. I'm Joni Roberts, Chief Marketing Officer at Ribbon Communications. Also on the call today are Bruce McClelland, Ribbon's Chief Executive Officer and John Townsend, Ribbon's Chief Financial Officer.
Today's call is being webcast live and will be archived on our Investor Relations section of our website, rbbn.com, where both the press release and supplemental slides are currently available. Certain matters we'll be discussing today, including the business outlook and financial projections for second quarter 2025 and beyond, are forward-looking statements.
Such statements are subject to the risks and uncertainty that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in our documents filed with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K. I refer you to our safe harbor statement included in the supplemental financial information posted on our website.
In addition, we'll present non-GAAP financial information on this call. Reconciliations to the applicable GAAP measure are included in the earnings press release we issued earlier today as well as supplemental financial information we prepared for this conference call, which again, both are available on the Investor Relations section of our website.
And now I'd like to turn the call over to Bruce. Bruce?

Bruce McClelland

Great. Thanks, Joni. Good afternoon, everyone and thanks for joining us today to discuss our outlook for 2025 and our first quarter results. Building on the momentum from last year, we continue to see very good demand as both service providers and enterprises invest in modernizing their voice and data networks.
In particular, the momentum in our Cloud and Edge business continues to build and is now a growth engine for the company, contrasting with the market perspective on this business several years ago. Our portfolio is the best in the industry and supports a broad number of use cases, including carrier-grade Telco voice services, enterprise Unified Communications, large-scale contact centers and resilient, secure defense command and control. The industry focus on eliminating legacy copper networks and adoption of cloud technologies that can be deployed on-premise or in the cloud is a great tailwind for our business for years to come.
As with many companies, we expect AI to be a growing opportunity for us and have two projects directly tied to increasing AI deployments. The first is a new nationwide fiber network being built in the Philippines to significantly add capacity to keep up with the growing demand and data center expansion. And the second is a Fortune 500 company leveraging AI in unique ways to enhance their contact center effectiveness.
A great leading indicator of our continued momentum is the growth in our backlog, up 35% from the same point last year. Book-to-bill in the first quarter was 1.2x, and we continue to expect a strong first half with sales projected to grow 5% to 8% year over year. All the more impressive as we overcome the difficult compare to first half of '24 after suspending shipments in Eastern Europe midway through last year. In fact, our IP Optical business, excluding Eastern Europe, grew by 25% in the first quarter. So the demand picture remains strong, and we continue to expect good growth this year.
Sales in the first quarter were flat year over year and lower than expected, but was entirely related to the timing of two enterprise projects, one with the US federal agency and one with a Critical Infrastructure customer in the US We've already received orders for the vast majority of the shortfall and much has now been shipped and recognized in the second quarter. Business with service providers was robust in the first quarter, with sales increasing more than 10% year over year with significantly higher sales in the US and in India.
And if you adjust for the significant reduction of sales due to suspension of shipments to Eastern Europe last year, service provider sales increased more than 30% year over year in the first quarter. Margins in the first quarter were lower than we projected, primarily due to the mix of shipments and the lower sales volume. Our sales in India were particularly strong in our IP Optical segment, reducing the overall gross margin.
The mix of Cloud and Edge sales in the quarter were more concentrated in hardware products and higher Professional Services revenue, both of which contribute a lower gross margin than our software products. In the second quarter, we have a stronger mix of software and better regional profile that we expect will improve consolidated gross margins by more than 400 basis points sequentially.
The lower sales and margin contributed to a reduction in adjusted EBITDA year over year, which again, we expect to largely catch up in the second quarter. Now a little more detail on each of our operating segments. We had a good quarter in our Cloud and Edge segment with sales growing approximately 6% year over year. Excluding maintenance revenue, product and services sales increased approximately 17% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA for the segment increased 17% year over year on higher sales and continued improvement in operating expenses.
Sales to Global Service Providers were the primary driver behind the year over year growth with total Cloud and Edge revenue increasing approximately 20% year over year. Large Voice Network transformation projects were once again the main catalyst behind the good momentum this quarter. As expected, total Cloud and Edge sales to Verizon increased significantly and were up approximately 50% year over year as we continue to make very good progress on our multiyear project to decommission and replace legacy switching equipment in hundreds of central offices.
The pace of installation and migrations is typically slower in the first quarter of the year, and we're now back at the same level as we were in the fourth quarter and expect to accelerate further as the year progresses. Cloud and Edge sales to all other service providers also increased approximately 10% year over year, highlighting the broad base of interest in network modernization and improving efficiency.
Cloud and Edge sales to enterprise customers were down approximately 23% year over year , largely due to the timing of US federal shipments I mentioned earlier. We've already shipped and recognized revenue on the remaining portion of these orders we received late in Q1. We're expecting a strong second quarter with several US federal agencies, including an initial phase of a project with a new DoD agency.
While we're seeing elongated decision-making due to the additional scrutiny on spending in the government, the voice modernization projects have a very clear ROI and significant reduction in operating expenses. So we expect these investments to remain a high priority as reflected in the 150% growth we experienced in 2024. Overall, Cloud and Edge gross margin was below our expectations in the quarter due to a higher mix of hardware shipments.
This included a significant number of media gateways to support the replacement of legacy TDM switches and a higher demand for enterprise edge gateways. We expect a rebound in gross margin in the second quarter to the more typical mid-60s for the segment with a higher mix of software and continued improved services margins.
In our IP Optical segment, sales in the first quarter were down approximately 6% year over year . This continues to be a tough comparison due to the suspension of shipments to Eastern Europe beginning partway through the second quarter last year. This accounted entirely for the drop year over year . We remain hopeful there's a path to resolution of the conflict in the region and a resumption of trade. Asia Pac was once again the highlight of the quarter for our IP Optical business.
Sales in India increased 80% year over year and were up 6% sequentially to the highest level in the last 5 years. We continue to have a strong business with Bharti and benefited from the renewed network investment being made by Vodafone Idea to expand mobile network capacity and coverage. Sales in Southeast Asia were also very strong and increased over 20% year over year with multiple new projects across the region.
As an example, we announced a great project win with our customer Converge ICT in the Philippines to build a new nationwide fiber backbone supporting customers such as Starlink as they grow their presence in the region and to add significant capacity for expanding data center traffic. We also announced a new subsea cable project with Mortel in Indonesia as they add 20 terabits of new capacity to the islands using our latest Apollo transport platform and MUSE automation management system.
We continue to see new opportunities across this region, partially due to vendor consolidation as well as the need to build networks that have no Chinese OEM equipment. Sales in North America were also very solid in the quarter, more than doubling year over year . This included a nice mix of Rural Broadband projects, growth in Critical Infrastructure with providers such as AEP and major service providers such as Brightspeed. Gross margins for the segment were impacted due to the regional mix of higher sales in AsiaPac and lower sales in the EMEA region. We also had several projects where the initial shipments of optical line equipment and low-cost access routers weighed on margins.
We expect a sizable improvement in gross margins in the second quarter and substantially lower EBITDA loss for this segment. With that, I'll turn it over to John to provide additional financial details on our first quarter results and then come back on to discuss outlook for the second quarter. John?