Robert Amparo; Senior Director of Investor Relations and Finance; QuinStreet, Inc.
Douglas Valenti; Chief Executive Officer; QuinStreet, Inc.
Gregory Wong; Chief Financial Officer; QuinStreet, Inc.
Zach Cummins; Research Analyst; B. Reilly. Financial
Eric Martinuzzi; Senior Research Analyst & COO & Founding Partner; Lake Street Capital Markets
Good day and welcome to Queen Street's fiscal first quarter 2025 financial results conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. Following the prepared remarks, there will be a Q&A session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator.
At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Senior Director of Investor Relations and Finance, Robert Amparo, Mr. Amparo, you may begin.
Thank you, operator. And thank you everyone for joining us as we report QuinStreet's fiscal first quarter, 2025 financial results.
Joining me on the call today are Chief Executive Officer Douglas Valenti and Chief Financial Officer Gregory Wong.
Before we begin, I would like to remind you that the following discussion will contain forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those projected by such statements and are not guarantees of future performance factors that may cause results to differ from our forward-looking statements are discussed in our recent SEC filings including our most recent 8-K filing made today and our most recent 10-Q filing. Forward-looking statements are based on assumptions as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements.
Today, we will be discussing both GAAP and non-GAAP measures, a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is included in today's earnings press release, which is available on our investor relations website at investor.quinstreet.com.
With that, I will turn the call over to Douglas Valenti. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Robert.
Welcome everyone.
Fiscal year 2025 1st quarter revenue grew 125% year of year and 41%. Sequentially adjusted EBIDA jumped to over $20 million in the quarter.
The strong results were driven by the broad based ramp of auto insurance carrier budgets and by our expanded client media and product footprints.
Auto insurance revenue grew 664% year-over-year to a record level. In the quarter, total financial services revenue grew 192% and home services revenue grew 32%.
The outlook for auto insurance going forward remains strong. Carriers continue to report good results overall and from our channel. We are focused on increasing and optimizing media supply to meet surging carrier demand. Those efforts should eventually further expand margins.
Turning to our outlook for fiscal Q2, we expect revenue to be between $235 and $245 million and adjusted EBITDA to be between $17.5 and $18.5 million. Though it is still early, we are raising our full fiscal year, 2025 outlook. Full fiscal year revenue now expected to be about $1 billion. Full fiscal year adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $75 and $80 million.
We will continue to update our outlook as warranted as the fiscal year progresses.
Finally, we know FCC changes to TCPA rules scheduled to go into effect in January are an area of investor interest.
Most importantly, we have been preparing and testing implementation of the new rules for almost a year and we have included in our outlook, the expected impact from them.
We expect the impact to occur mainly during the period over which we clients and the industry transition and adapt to the new rules most likely over a number of quarters beyond the period of transition to the new rules, we expect the changes to be a strong, long term positive for the channel and for Quinn Street, they will accelerate the long-term trend of industry rationalization and consolidation to the best, most capable companies.
They will improve consumer experience and participation in the channel, increasing the speed and size of the development of our market and they will significantly increase client sales efficiency and productivity from our channel further accelerating and growing the development of our market.
We expect QuinStreet to disproportionately benefit from all of those positive effects.
With that. I'll turn the call over to Gregory Wong.
Gregory Wong
Thank you, Douglas.
Hello, and thanks to everyone for joining us today.
Fiscal Q1 was another record revenue quarter for QuinStreet is all of our client miracles delivered strong year over year revenue growth.
We delivered record revenue and insurance, record revenue in home services and record revenue in noninsurance financial services, which includes personal loans, credit cards and banking for the September quarter. Total revenue was $279.2 million. Adjusted net income was $12.5 million or 22 cents per share and adjusted EBITDA was $20.3 million.
Looking at revenue by client vertical. Our financial services client vertical represented 76% of Q1 revenue and grew 192% year-over-year to $210.9 million.
The record performance was largely driven by auto insurance which grew 664% year-over-year. Non-insurance financial services businesses grew 18% combined.
Our home services client vertical represented 23% of Q1 revenue and grew 32% year-over-year to a record $65.1 million.
Other revenue was the remaining $3.3 million of Q1 revenue.
Turn to the Balance Sheet. We closed the quarter with $25 million of cash and equivalents and no bank debt.
A more normalized view of our ending cash balance would be approximately $47 million.
We receive payments of approximately $22 million just one day after quarter end.
As we look ahead into Q2, I'd like to remind everyone of the seasonality characteristics of our business as I do every year. At this time, the December quarter, our fiscal second quarter typically decline sequentially.
This is due to reduce client staffing and budgets during the holidays and the end of year period. A tighter media market and changes in consumer shopping behavior.
This trend generally reverses in January.
Moving to our outlook for fiscal Q2, our December quarter, we expect revenue to be between 235 million and $245 million and adjusted EBITDA to be between $17.5 million and $18.5 million.
As Douglas already mentioned, we are raising our full fiscal year 2025 outlook.
We now expect revenue to be between 975 million and $1.025 billion and adjusted EBITDA to be between $75 million and $85 million and $80 million.
With that. I'll turn it over to the operator for Q&A.
Operator
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question please press star followed by the number one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised.
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One moment while we prepare the Q&A roster.
Your first question comes from the line of John Campbell from Stephens. Please go ahead.
John Campbell
Hey guys. Good afternoon. Congrats on a great quarter.
Douglas Valenti
Hey John, thank you.
John Campbell
Sure. Okay. I want to maybe start on insurance. Obviously, really good results there. If I'm math is right, I'm thinking you guys might have almost doubled up your past fiscal 1Q peak for insurance. Is that right?
Douglas Valenti
That would be a great question.
Gregory Wong
I don't have that answer. Are you asking if we we doubled our previous first quarter peak?
John Campbell
Right?
Gregory Wong
You know, I got to be honest, I don't have that, but I wouldn't be surprised.
John Campbell
Okay. I'm thinking that's probably the case. Okay. And then maybe if you could help on the phasing. I don't know if you've got this close to you, but the insurance growth just sequentially and then what that typical seasonal drop-off is just seasonally into 2Q.
Gregory Wong
Yeah, quarter over quarter, John, we grow our insurance business over 80% sequentially. Typically what you're going to see in the second quarter is about a 10% sequential decline. That's kind of the normal seasonality in the business and really not just insurance, but across all our, uh, client verticals.
John Campbell
Okay. And have you kind of factored in somewhat typical seasonality or are you expecting continuation, continuation of strength?
Gregory Wong
Yeah, we have definitely factored in seasonality. That's the biggest, um, when you, when you look at the decline from the Q2 guide to what we just delivered in Q1, um, again, we're not hearing right now. Um, anything about a slowdown, we're super bullish. We're super positive on what we're hearing from the carriers themselves. But, yeah, we have, we do have seasonality assumed in there.
John Campbell
Okay. That's, that's helpful. And then last question for me just looking at the full year guidance, just the balance, I guess the back half of the year more. So, you know, if, if I assume kind of a continuation of the insurance you saw in 1Q, at least just for the back half. It's a, I think it might be implying that the core business might be down year-over-year. I know you've talked about some of the one-to-one, you know, that the rule changes potentially providing some degree of an impact, you, you factor that in the guidance. So maybe if you could just kind of talk to the phasing of guidance in the back half of the year, whether you're expecting more of a slowdown in insurance rather than the front half, or if it's, if it's more of a core business.
Douglas Valenti
Yeah, I think as we looked at the, the full year in the back half, John, there's been a big ramp obviously in insurance. And we're excited about how much we've been able to raise, but we want to, as we as we settle out the ramp and we optimize media and clients optimize budgets, we want to kind of see where all that settles out. I, John, Gregory said, and I would repeat, the carriers are not indicating any kind of slowdown.
But this is again, this has been a pretty big wrap. We, we'd like to make sure that we leave ourselves a little bit of room as things shake out. And if they shake out from a again, optimizing media and optimizing budget standpoint also, of course, there is the FCC. There are the FCC changes that will have some impact, some disruption on the industry, not, not all of that just direct on QuinStreet, but to the ecosystem and we don't know exactly what that will mean in some places. We, we've done our best to estimate that based on, on testing and real data, but we'd, we'd rather keep a relatively conservative defensive posture with it as it comes to the FCC transition period. I repeat that, I think after the transition period, I think this is an extraordinarily good thing for the channel. We wouldn't necessarily have chosen to be regulated into it but, or to do the regulations exactly this way. But, the will have all the positive effects I talked about and then we have, you know, the election, which is likely to have some type of disruption. We don't know exactly what. So again, we'd prefer to maintain a relatively defensive and conservative posture relative to that. So I would say, you know, there's, there's a lot in it but those would be the main factors for why you don't see necessarily our typical seasonal trends in the back half. And our current guide, which again is our current outlook, which is again pretty early in the, in the, in the year.
John Campbell
Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you, Douglas.
Douglas Valenti
You bet.
Operator
Your next question is from the line of Jason Kreyer from Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.
Jason Kreyer
All right. Thank you. Congrats guys, great, great, start to the year. Thank you.
Douglas Valenti
Thank you. Just.
Jason Kreyer
So, you know, the insurance business obviously kicking into to a new gear here. What's changed over the last quarter? Are you seeing more carriers participating in the market or is this just kind of the same participants with opening up greater greater allocations of budget?
Douglas Valenti
It is a much broader footprint of clients spending at at at much greater scale is, is how I would characterize a Jason. We do have, you know, there, there's a, there's some clients that are key leaders in the channel and there always have been.
But I would say that the thing that is most impressive about the current market and we've been working on this for a long time. So I don't think it's, it's just a just, just an industry thing, but I think there's some of it's a, is particular to us and maybe one of our other competitors, is the breadth and the breadth of scale. We are, we are seeing clients that have made huge strides in how they think about digital and performance and how they are more analytic and how they're better measuring performance and how they're integrated and, and, and cycling closely with us to optimize. So I think we're just at the next stage of development of this channel that was obviously postponed for a while during the hard market and insurance.
And and I think it's indicative of a continued up until the right, as we've always said, because this is the best place if you're a carrier and PNC, this is the by far the best channel to spend it in terms of efficiency and productivity of your budget.
Jason Kreyer
Okay. That, that's great to hear. When you talk about increasing media supply, just wondering if you can parse out what that means for your own own and operated properties versus increasing media supply and some of the partnerships and, and what the opportunity is if you, you know what the margin opportunity is as you scale that up.
Douglas Valenti
Yeah, and it's both. We have to increase – we have a lot of partnerships that that had gone relatively dormant and had spent their time and resources elsewhere during the hard market that are gearing back up, of course. And those are an important part of growing supply to meet demand. And, by the way, that will help margin, too, because the demand from the carriers shot up so quickly that it outstripped supply so that the media that – was there, got bid up, and got more expensive probably than it needs to be in the long run. So the supply side, including partnerships, is important. Now, on the owned and operated side, we do have a lot of things going on as well. And you're right, they're largely focused on improving margins. We're ramping some very important campaigns that are some of our highest margin, very aggressively right now, on the paid side, particularly paid SEM. We are working on a broadening and bigger scaling in a multiple size of our campaigns on the ONO side and SEM on a bunch of our properties. We made an acquisition a year or so ago of a company that has helped us have a better presence in display, native, and social, which is an area, a huge part of the ecosystem that we really haven't had a big presence in because of the relatively low intent for those consumers.
But we looked for a company like this for a long time and found one that had really figured out, how to siphon or filter out the intent-based consumers in an economic way in those channels. And that company, since we acquired them just, again, I think it was last March, has more than doubled in revenue and more than tripled in margin. and it's coming in at margins that are highly accretive to our current margins. So the growth of that channel and that company is going to be an important part of what we're doing.
So we have a lot going on, and we are keenly focused on getting the supply up, generally speaking, and getting the supply up in a way that's going to allow us to increase margins specifically for QuinStreet.
Jason Kreyer
Alright. Thank you guys.
Keep up the good work.
Douglas Valenti
Thank you, Jason.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Zach Cummins from B Riley. Please go ahead.
Zach Cummins
Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the strong start to your fiscal '25. Doug I wanted to shift directions and, and ask a little more about home services. I mean, can you talk about what really drove the strong growth we saw here in Q1 and really what, what are the expectations for home services especially as you go through the TCPA changes here in the coming months.
Douglas Valenti
Sure, I'd say that the strong growth is just indicative of what we've said for a while, which is, there's a, this is a huge market opportunity for us. We're early into it and we just, you know, made better progress on our big initiatives.
And we're going to keep making better progress on those big initiatives. And we have some very big growth initiatives in home services that represent massive improvements and expansion of our footprint for the business. TCPA is going to have its most direct effect on our home services business because of it being more of a lead business.
I think we're extraordinarily well positioned against that. We have, though, included in our outlook a more modest outlook for home services in the back half than we would if there were not going to be new rules in TCPA. And so we want to, again, maintain a fairly conservative defensive profile against that, particularly the transition period there.
But we have worked very hard on making sure that we test new flows to test how we get consumers to opt in test how we match to, to optimize against that, to work with clients to make sure they understand the new rules and how to position themselves for the new rules to work on pricing. Because we and clients both expect that it can opt in consumer lead is going to convert at a higher rate. And which means that that's going to be more valuable. So a lot of the effects of the new rules will be offset by higher value and higher pricing, which we have, we've now cycled through the vast majority of our clients to, to have those discussions and to prepare for that. And then, and then let me give you a little bit of a little data on that, which is something I think folks need to understand and, and probably don't because it's, it's kind of performance marketing nerd stuff. But obviously, and I'm going to use some simple math if a lead converts at twice the rate, it's, it's rational and easy to pay twice the amount for that lead because it's the same marketing cost for that customer.
But if a lead converts at twice the rate, that means the client only has to use one half the sales cost and sales capacity to get the same amount of revenue.
It's a huge benefit of efficiency and productivity standpoint. And it's going to drive just like the better consumer experience is going to drive a lot more volume and a lot more value into this channel. And we've been working with clients to pursue for that. So a lot of work gone into it. We are maintaining what I would consider to be a relatively modest and conservative profile against the back half based on what we know and what we've, what we've tested into. We have a lot of initiatives to be ready. But we, we feel pretty good about where we are and, and, we feel by the way, the only other thing I'd throw in about home services is most consumers do want multiple quotes, by the way. So that we expect that the affected home services won't be nearly as dramatic as it might be in other places. But all in, yeah, a little bit, a little bit more modest in the back half of the fiscal year than we would have been. Otherwise, we expect that we'll work through it nicely and we expect in the long run that we'll continue to do very well and we still expect good, strong double digit growth in home services on average for many years to come.
Zach Cummins
Understood. Very, very helpful Douglas. and, and my one follow-up is, is geared towards Gregory. I think you addressed it within your comments, but just in terms of the free cash flow in this quarter, it seems like it was just some collections that that pushed into your Q2. Can, can you talk about how, how would you think about free cash flow generation and, and should this be kind of a one quarter flip that normalizes here on that side of it?
Gregory Wong
Yeah, Zach, it really was the timing of payments we got a couple large payments in which we typically would have received within the quarter. They literally came in on October 1st. So that's where we have with the cash balance. I, I do say, you know, it was pretty impressive. We, we've over doubled the business and we're able to fund that growth in the business with our existing cash. I would expect us as we start moving forward to get back into cash generation mode given the increase in profitability in the business, but it was a steep ramp and, and that requires quite a bit of working capital and we were able to do that with our existing cash. So.
Zach Cummins
Understood. Well, thanks for taking my questions and best of luck with the rest of the quarter.
Gregory Wong
Thanks.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Martinuzzi from Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Eric Martinuzzi
Yeah, I wanted to get into the carrier, I guess precision regarding their spend versus LTV. You, you've often talked about progressive as being very analytically oriented. Well, let me start there. What, what, what percent of revenue in Q1 with progressive?
Gregory Wong
Yeah, Eric, this is Gregory. Our largest client. Yeah, they were 20% of revenue.
Eric Martinuzzi
Okay. And then the other carriers, are they, are they getting more like progressive in, in that kind of real time evaluation of spend versus LTV? Or is it just coming so fast? Gotta get, you know, everybody's competing and there's less concern about LTV.
Douglas Valenti
I would say it's much more the former. We're, we're seeing as I said before, much more sophistication amongst the carriers that are scaling in and how they how they spend in the performance channel and how they analyze their spend and, and, and I would say they're all moving on a curve that's, you know, analytic perfection in the upper right. They're all moving well up that curve.
I would say, no, it's perfect yet.
But the, the scaling has really come from folks getting better at being more analytic not from any other, any other phenomenon. So it's a, it's a good, good trend from our perspective. We the more sophisticated the better as far as we're concerned.
Eric Martinuzzi
Okay.
And then given the upward revision to the adjusted EBITA for the year, I think I had written in my notes from the last call or maybe it was a follow up call that you were anticipating about 15 million or so of CapEx. So is that, is that CapEx number relatively unchanged? And then can we just use do the simple math on a midpoint? Just to back off the free the CapEx to get to a free cash flow estimate for 25?
Gregory Wong
Yeah, I think Eric that's a pretty good estimate. And there's no change in terms of what we expect to spend on CapEx.
Eric Martinuzzi
Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.
Operator
Next question is from the line of Christopher Sakai from Singular Research. Please go ahead.
Christopher Sakai
Oh, yes. Hi, Douglas and Gregory. Just had a question on, I mean, great this amazing growth on the record auto insurance revenue. Are you face, would you be possibly facing any headwinds to that as far as scaling? I know that, I mean, 664% growth is, it's pretty, pretty amazing. So can you give me any had any color there as far as Quinn Street's ability to withstand growth like that?
Douglas Valenti
That's a good question, Chris, we, we don't expect the, you know, it, we'll, we'll lap this year and, and it won't be growing at 660-something percent anymore. But I think it will continue to grow. It certainly strong double-digit rates on average from here and we're more than capable of continue to scale to where we are now. Certainly, we'll catch up a little bit on media optimization to get our margins up a little bit more and, and, and to, to get re optimized and we're, we're perfectly capable and, and, and well positioned to do that but certainly capable of continuing to grow from, from this new level at strong rates going forward.
Christopher Sakai
And you mentioned...potentially the, the election coming up, how is that going to potentially have an effect on, on revenue and auto insurance?
Douglas Valenti
We don't know. I, you know, there, there is the concept of consumer distraction depending on what goes on post election.
So it's just, it's not a, it's not like we took a number off of it for it or that we know exactly what it's going to be. But I would say that, we again, we would prefer to maintain a relatively conservative and defensive profile against that backdrop, just like we would against, you know, getting everything re optimized in the insurance side budget and and media wise and of course, of the FCC, TCPA thing. So it's just in the mix of things that we, when we step back and say, you know, do we feel like being more aggressive and more conservative right now? It's one of the things in the mix that causes us to say we prefer to be a little bit more conservative right now.
Christopher Sakai
Okay, great. Thanks for the answer.
Douglas Valenti
You bet.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Patrick sholl from Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Patrick Sholl
Hi. Thank you. It's a kind of another question around the election. I was just wondering if there's like if every if there are still sort of some states that are not necessarily appropriately allowing insurance rates to meet profitable levels, and just if any of that might get resolved post election.
Douglas Valenti
That's a good question, Patrick. I, I don't know the answer to that. I, I would say that I haven't read anything from the industry that implies it that any particular election outcome in any particular states likely to have a big impact there.
So, for example, California is, is the biggest state that has that issue, right? They only allow carriers to increase rates at a certain pace and, and obviously the costs have way outpaced that. So a lot of carriers are just not active in California. And I think that only gets resolved unfortunately, with time, you know, they can take maybe maximum rate each year for a while and eventually catch up. But it's going to take, you know, based on back of the envelope calculations, a couple of a few more years at this rate, whether or not there'll be any action in California in the legislature. There, there's no indication that, that California there's going to be any kind of change in the party leadership in California after the election. So, if, then they're going to be any changes, it's going to be driven by a change of heart of the current officials, not the change of officials. It seems to me otherwise, I, again, I don't know of any other places. I haven't read of any other places where there'll be a big impact. I can say that most, though, not all California being the outlier and most of the other states, the carriers are back active in there. Again, there are some other exceptions, but they're not big states at this point?
Patrick Sholl
Okay. And then maybe just can you talk about like the impact of the expected trajectory of interest rates on some of the other protocols with home services or the credit driven ones? If you think those, that could be something of a tailwind for those segments?
Douglas Valenti
I, I think so. I mean, I think the only place it won't be a tail wind is in our banking business and for, you know, CDs or the offering, CD offerings down because banks don't want to lock in CDs while rates are going down. We still have very strong demand and we're still growing at a good rate in that business and other products.
But I think it will help credit cards because that, that their rates will go down and credit cards will be more affordable because a lot of consumers do, of course, keep a balance on those credit cards, personal loans that help a lot. Our, our head of personal loans just got back from a major conference of lenders and he said it's the most positive tone and specific indications from lenders. He's, he's heard in a few years is the rates are coming down to make their products more affordable and most of them have now recapitalized and gotten access to new capital. And so we're seeing a resurgence of demand from lenders and personal loans. And of course, we already have pretty strong demand, decent, strong, very strong demand there. We've been doing well well, outperforming the the market there including in our, in our debt management, credit management side of the business which have been helping consumers as rates have been high.
So those two businesses are probably most directly affected. There's a not a big effect in home services. Although, you know, we have a lending product that we're rolling out there that we're excited about, which will help consumers finance more, more projects, which will really help to expand and accelerate that market even more.
And it doesn't have a big effect generally speaking in insurance. So I think that's kind of the lay of the land from, I'd say net net probably, you know, neither here nor there kind of not way up, not way down.
Patrick Sholl
Okay, thank you.
Douglas Valenti
Thank you.
Operator
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