David Moon; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Energy Recovery Inc
Michael Mancini; Chief Financial Officer; Energy Recovery Inc
Ryan Pfingst; Analyst; B Riley Financial Inc
Jeffrey Campbell; Analyst; Seaport Research
Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Energy Recovery's first quarter 2025 earnings call.
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Our hosts for today's call are David Moon, President and Chief Executive Officer of Energy Recovery; and Mike Mancini, Chief Financial Officer. I would like to now turn the call over to Mr. Moon.
David Moon
Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Earlier today, we released a letter to shareholders on the Investor Relations section of our website that reviews business and financial performance during the quarter. I encourage all of you to read the letter in full. In addition and in response to investor feedback, I'll make a few opening comments to highlight important takeaways from that letter.
First, the first highlight is that Q1 was in line with our expectations regarding revenue and profitability and consistent with another heavily back-end weighted year. Our desalination business remains strong and on track for the year.
Turning to tariffs. As we noted during our Q4 earnings call, we are directly affected by tariffs. As tariffs have increased in scope and magnitude during the last two months, so too have our initiatives to offset them. We believe we'll be able to offset the majority of the net tariff impact with manageable impact to our financial results for 2025. Our CO2 business remains on track, and we're making clear progress towards full commercialization.
We now have three OEMs working to integrate the PX into their rack designs and expect all these OEMs to have at least one pilot test site running for the summer season. We're also excited to be able to speak publicly about our work with Hillphoenix for the first time as noted in our shareholder letter.
I'd also like to take this time to reiterate my appreciation for the team here at Energy Recovery. We have experienced a lot of change in the past few quarters, and I'm proud of the resiliency and dedication they've shown.
With that, we'll now move to the question-and-answer portion of our conference call. Operator, please open the line for questions.
Operator
Ryan Pfingst, B. Riley.
Ryan Pfingst
Could you start with some broad color on the desal market, what geographies you're enthusiastic about? And any impacts you've seen from a potentially tougher macro backdrop?
David Moon
So I think as it relates to a tougher macro backdrop, nothing changing. We're still seeing the pipeline very strong. Quoting remains strong. The contracted -- the projects that we're following remain very active. And so we continue to be very bullish on the desal market, and we continue to be very bullish on the Middle East and North Africa.
Ryan Pfingst
Got it. And for the mega project order that was shipped but not recognized as revenue in 1Q, curious what the revenue impact was there to get a sense of how the first quarter might have looked for revenue and for gross margin as well.
Michael Mancini
Yes, Ryan, it was a relatively small order. It was about $2 million.
Ryan Pfingst
Okay. I appreciate that, Mike. And then turning to your international footprint strategy. Will you be looking to partner with someone in a contract manufacturing capacity or establish your own capacity? Curious of your thoughts there.
David Moon
Yes. Our first preference is to go it on our own, right? And so established 100% owned and operated Energy Recovery Facility. And so that's what we're looking now. In the short term, could there be an opportunity to partner with someone in order to help get product into China and around the tariffs?
Possibly. Those are all on the table at the moment. But I would tell you our preference is to do it on our own.
Ryan Pfingst
Appreciate that. And then along those lines for wastewater, is there any opportunity to offset some of the lost China revenue this year with sales in other geographies?
David Moon
Yes, we're working on that. So the answer is, we think the answer is yes. Where it's all going to come from? To be determined. But I think there's an opportunity to offset some of that $9 million.
Ryan Pfingst
Great. And I'll just ask one more on CO2. Could you ask -- could you talk a little bit about your progress with Hillphoenix and what some of the milestones are that we should be looking for ahead of potential broad deployment of the PX G as a feature in their refrigeration systems?
David Moon
Yes. So we're really happy with -- so we spent a lot of time working with Hillphoenix last summer with field sites, right, testing during the summer stuff -- the summer heat period with several Hillphoenix locations in North America. And so because we had such good -- we made such good progress and had such good results on those test sites, we now have moved into a phase with Hillphoenix where we're talking about integrating the PX G into their CO2 rack design. And so I'd say there are two important milestones between sort of now and sort of Q3 with Hillphoenix. One is getting the commercial agreement done, which we're working on now with Hillphoenix.
And number two is getting a test site for the summer with the PX G integrated into a Hillphoenix system. Those would be the next two milestones.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Jeffrey Campbell, Seaport Research.
Jeffrey Campbell
With regard to the alternative sourcing for the PX, you've always emphasized the stringent manufacturing quality of the PX as a barrier to entry for competitors. And you said you would prefer to do 100% yourself. I was just wondering, where do you think you could move manufacturing and ensure that the quality remains robust while providing the tariff production -- protection from the current production that's not provided?
Michael Mancini
Jeff, this is Mike. Yes, I think you got to think about PX in two parts. One is the ceramics and one is the pressure vessel. So we would not, in the short term, move the ceramic manufacturing anywhere. We will do that here.
And that is really the key of the quality is in the ceramics. So no thinking about short-term moving of the ceramics. And that goes to some of the quality points we made in the letter. We will not sacrifice that quality. But where we assemble and where we do some of the testing and other things and bringing the vessels and screws and other pipes together is on the table.
And longer term, that also goes to why David mentioned of us wanting to do it stand-alone by ourselves because of our process and our know-how on the ceramic side.
Jeffrey Campbell
And sort of thinking of it in an opposite way, are there any long-term advantages to developing an international production presence that the current situation is sort of pushing it to work?
David Moon
Yes. I think what it does is we have the opportunity to get closer to some of our customers. And so for the foreseeable future, our -- the Middle East and North Africa are going to be both important regions for us for sure, and are today and will continue to be in the near future. As we think about that $550 million pipeline, the majority of that pipeline is in North Africa and the Middle East. So potentially having a location there closer on the ground to those desal facilities and those desal projects could serve us well and could service our customers much better as well.
Jeffrey Campbell
Yes. I was sort of thinking along the same lines. I thought the deployment of wastewater sales resources also might be a long-term positive in disguise. Can you give us any color on alternative markets besides China that could potentially be positive for ERII solutions?
David Moon
Yes. So I think as we think about -- so we have a small presence in India today, which is we've been really successful with. We've got two people on the ground in India. We're looking to double that this year. And so we've had early success there.
So that's certainly a market. And there's some regulatory-driven opportunity there as well. And so we like our chances in India, both this year and into the long term. I think the other market where we have a lot of upside is North America, especially the US.
and special the municipality movement around moving to water reuse, especially in states like California. And so we like -- and so we're -- we just hired a sales leader for the US business. We'll be looking to add additional resources on the ground in the US. And so I think the US is the other market where we like our chances going forward.
Jeffrey Campbell
Okay. And you made it clear in the shareholder letter, you wanted to hold the wastewater guidance for now, which makes perfect sense. And it seems as though you -- I think you did reaffirm the guidance for the other two divisions. I'm just wondering what should we think about gross margins for the year with all these moving parts?
Michael Mancini
Yes. We're comfortable with the gross margin guidance that we've given. So I think some of the key takeaways from this letter should be that we are very, very focused on margins, both gross and EBITDA net. And so we think we can -- we've reaffirmed gross margin guidance as well. So we think we'll fall right in there.
Jeffrey Campbell
Okay. And my last question, I agree with the earlier remark that the Hillphoenix collaboration is really positive, especially considering you've been working with these guys off and on since the early days of the CO2 effort. When I read the shareholder letter, it sounded like there were a number of pockets of potential activity with Hillphoenix. Maybe I didn't understand that correctly based on the answer you gave earlier, but I was just wondering, maybe not thinking so much about revenue, but just collaborations or points of -- touch points, if you will. Is it possible that there could be some upside by the end of 2025 from what was expected coming into the year?
David Moon
Yes. I think Hillphoenix is a very diverse customer. And so they're not -- they not only participate in the retail space, but they also participate in the industrial space. And so as we build a relationship and get wins with them in the retail space, that's going to open up an opportunity to work closer with them on the industrial, the large warehouse, the food processing, those types of applications. And so I think there's -- Hillphoenix could become a multifaceted customer for us.
Operator
At this time, there are no further questions in queue. I'd like to turn the call back to David Moon for any further remarks.
David Moon
Thank you, operator. So just a few closing remarks. I think number one is, look, we're confident in our desal and CO2 revenue guidance. For desal, our contracted projects plus high probability pipeline gives us visibility into more than 80% of the expected 2025 revenue, plus the desal market remains strong. As it relates to tariffs, we've mitigated most of the tariff impact and are still working on additional options to mitigate the rest.
And then finally, as it relates to costs, we've been executing on rightsizing our cost structure and also working towards margin expansion for 2025. So thank you all for joining today. That's it, operator.
Operator
This concludes the call. You may now disconnect. Have a wonderful rest of your day.
