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Operator

(Operator Instructions) Woody Lay, KBW.

Wood Lay

Hey, good morning, guys. Wanted to start on loan growth. I was positively surprised by the growth you saw in the quarter. It looks like it came mostly from the hospitality portfolio, just any color on the growth you recognize in the quarter and just given all the macro uncertainty, how should we think about growth from here?

Jason Estes

Yeah. It was a good quarter. As you noted, hospitality kind of stuck out, but there was some strength in the C&I bookings as well that was masked by some payoffs. And so, when you're looking at this every 90 days, sometimes the numbers don't tell the full story, but we were really pleased with what was booked and it was a little more diverse than maybe what ends up in the final numbers there because of those payoffs.
But we come into April in the second quarter with a really nice deal flow, a good backlog of things in the works and what's going on here the past few weeks in the economy. We really don't know what that's going to do to new bookings, but we really felt great through the first quarter and into April with really strong loan demand.
And as Tom mentioned, these markets that we operate in Oklahoma City and Tulsa, and Texas. I mean, these are just high growth areas, really strong diverse economies, and we're grateful that's where we loan money.

Thomas Travis

Yeah. And I would also add that for the first time, we modified the deck to show you the -- illustrate on page 13, the long term averages of the loan segments and even though we had nice growth in the hospitality space, it's well within our norms and of course, as you know, I would remind everyone on the call that we do have internal self-imposed limits on each category. So we didn't step out of our norms.

Wood Lay

Yeah. That's helpful. And then going back to your opening comments that I think you called out the consumers becoming a little more cautious, and we're all a little in the dark on the eventual impact of the tariffs.
But looking at the hospitality portfolio, it has a really strong track record. But any trends you're seeing over the past 90 days with occupancy rates or bookings that might point to any overall consumer trends.

Thomas Travis

It's a good question. It's difficult to answer today because as you know hospitality is very seasonal. And so, I think one of the worst quarters historically is the first quarter and specifically, January and February. I was in Dallas talking to one of our larger groups about what are they seeing a couple of weeks ago, and they didn't see anything that was out of the norm. And so, we remain optimistic that the breadth and depth of that portfolio which is really not geared towards -- it's a good mix for business, leisure --

Jason Estes

Lower price point.

Thomas Travis

Lower price point properties. And so, so far as steady as she goes.

Wood Lay

Got it. And then last for me, markets very volatile on a day-to-day basis, but longer term, can you just remind us how you're thinking about share buybacks, just looking back in history, you all are active in 2020, but that came with the price well below tangible book value. So just any thoughts on share buyback strategy?

Thomas Travis

I'll say two things there. Number one, we're so blessed that we don't need to do share buybacks in order to boost EPS, and I know that that's a common strategy from a lot of companies, but Kelly, correct me if I'm wrong, we're either right at or super close to record levels of capital in the company, right?

Kelly Harris

Correct.

Thomas Travis

And yet we're still posting, I'm just going to say 20% return on equity. And so, when you can be in that situation, there's really not internal pressures or thoughts to quickly do it. The second thing I would say is that our mentality right now is we're cautiously optimistic, but I would say that I'm not sure in today's environment you can have too much capital.
And when you look at the specter of what President Trump is doing targeting China, and I think they hold almost $1 trillion worth of our debt and there's some speculation that they react by, okay, we just won't buy any more of your debt. We're still issuing a lot of debt. It's a scary time out there. It's very, very scary.
And so, we think it's very comforting to have record levels of capital, yet still produce tremendous returns that are top 1%, and we think it's time just to take a pause and watch and see what happens over the next two to three to four months to see if there's any kind of normalcy that can return to the market.
And so, that's not to say that if prices continue to deflate in the equity markets, that's not to say that we wouldn't jump in because we're debt free, we've got plenty of liquidity. So we have maximum flexibility, but we definitely have an eye towards caution over the near term.
And I also think that if we do have continued stress that bleeds into the banking space, then there may be opportunities. And so, we're just not going to be in any rush to do anything absent a major decline in our share price and I think where are we today? We're still at 1.6 or 7 times tangible book.
So it's come down from over 2, but we're still in -- I think where's the bank indexes these days at [130, 140] maybe? So I think (inaudible) while we're being cautious we can provide our investment partners with top tier returns and that's our mentality today.

Wood Lay

Yeah. Well, it's an enviable position to be in. All right, that's all for me. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Matt Olney, Stephens.

Matthew Olney

Hey, thanks. Good morning. I think you guys already addressed the question around the hospitality portfolio. I guess, I'd be curious also about the energy portfolio. I think it's around 9%, 10% of your overall loans. I'm just curious how you think about energy commodity prices and the risk to your borrowers.
I think you guys gave us a good segmentation on the types of energy borrowers on slide 14. I'd just be curious about how you see the risk to the commodity price on each of these types of borrowers. Thanks.

Thomas Travis

Jason, you want to take that?

Jason Estes

Yeah. I think this is where your underwriting comes in and we never lose focus of how important it is before you make the loan to make sure that you're running these sensitivity cases. And our large energy borrowers, they're very active with hedging, and there's been opportunities here over the last couple of years to lock in for very extended periods of time for these borrowers so they could meet their hurdles on returns and really de-risk their operations.
And so, that's not a new concept, this isn't a new thing. This is where the tried-and-true underwriting fundamentals really come in to protect the bank and then on the service side of that portfolio, we're aligned with very well capitalized long time industry management and capital providers that these are quite the norm in that industry to have these cycles where the prices move up and move down and we're very well equipped within that portfolio to handle stress or even what I would call severe stress.

Thomas Travis

That's an excellent response, Jason. And just coincidentally, I was reviewing just this morning our largest energy credit that's secured by proof-producing properties. And I was reading the loan memorandum from last year and we always run as Jason says sensitivity pricing and I was looking at just as a refresher that particular customer on the sensitivity case projected cash flow from last year we used $45 oil and $2 natural gas.
And the sensitivity case also included the fact that the customer hedges 60% of their oil production. And so when you consider, that's a really good example of what Jason was talking about on our underwriting and the customers just find cash flowing and repaying the debt based on that -- those underwriting criteria and that's the agreement we have in the loan agreement.
So just a good real-time example of what Jason was talking about.

Matthew Olney

And then I guess sticking with credit. Good to see that the NPAs moved lower in the first quarter. Just any color on that movement and then anything to call out on the substandard loan levels as of March 31?

Jason Estes

No. We're pleased with where the book is overall. We always want to be perfect. But the book's very clean. Migration, nothing alarming in any of the trends, for loan grades. Past dues are very, very low based on historical levels.
And so if the economy does really start going into a severe deep recession, we certainly enter it with a very clean credit book and very strong capital levels, plenty of loan loss reserve, and a nice run rate to sustain us. So credit book's very clean.

Matthew Olney

And then I guess if I could sneak in one more on your net interest margin. I think we talked back in January and there was an expectation at that time that your margin would trough sometime early in the first quarter and then build back up the latter part of the quarter.
Just love to hear any updated thoughts on kind of how that margin reacted in the first quarter and your thoughts from here.

Kelly Harris

Yeah, Matt. This is Kelly. We did have -- we picked up some nice supportive deposits during the quarter. We were able to lower our cost of funds from 2.70% to 2.58%, which is the average, and that really helped benefits and NIM.
I think going into the second quarter, we had some nice loan growth as well. And so we've really bottomed out in that 4.60% range. And that's currently where we're at. We do anticipate NIM to hold up and perform well going into Q2 and Q3.

Operator

(Operator Instructions)
Nathan Race, Piper Sandler.

Nathan Race

Bigger picture question. It's obviously fluid times, and a lots changed over the past week or so. But as you're talking to clients and going through their financials and so forth, do you have any sense across your commercial client base?
To what extent some of their product inputs are relying upon, international economies? And then on the other end of the equation, to what degree are some of their clients related on international exports as well?

Jason Estes

I think it's safe to say that if the tariffs are really broad-based, it'll be challenging for large slots of bank clients, commercial, businesses, commercial clients. But the people that we've been talking to that they're looking for different ways to find a different supplier from a different region that's not going to be impacted as much by the tariffs.
And business people, entrepreneurs, they're very creative in protecting their interests which is protecting our interests. And so I have found the larger companies are very proactive. Some of the smaller companies, they're going to be looking for solutions provided by whatever countries end up being the least expensive to do business with.
And thankfully, a lot of these are long time operators and they've got multiple sources of finding materials or services. And we're very -- I guess we're paying very close attention to these things. But it's also very early and it's very fluid. So I can't say they have final solutions, but they're certainly looking into solutions.
And that's across the board. I think what's probably been more noticeable on immediate impact were some of the disruptions to money coming out of the government. We've had multiple clients that have made comments about, hey, we may need to rely on a line of credit here due to payment delays coming out of whether it's direct government payment or quasi-government through some kind of quasi-government entity or some other arm that is fed by the government.
And so those have smoothed out. But that initial DOGE effort was impactful. Can't say that we actually did have to extend any credit into that, but there were certainly some conversations.

Thomas Travis

I also think that COVID kind of helped in a way because a lot of people were well down the road of reshoring manufacturing and sourcing and getting it away from China and into other parts. And so I think COVID kind of got that ball rolling. So some people are going to be already ahead of the game and we have one customer that's he started this company 50, 60 years ago -- 40, 50 years ago, and he's a manufacturer of in the industrial space.
And he went to Europe and he's in a free trade zone. Jason was telling me yesterday and it's just a part of his business and I was laughing about what is a free trade zone. And he's wondering too, I'm sure. But he has a fortress balance sheet.
Most of his business is here in the US, but I think that -- I think people are -- as Jason said, these smart business people are pretty agile. And so we don't see it as a major impact to our book and our company, and I think part of that too is due to our size.
We had a $100 billion bank. I think we probably have more people that were international that are going to be affected.

Nathan Race

Maybe changing gears a little bit. Kelly, any thoughts on just kind of the trajectory of oil and gas related revenue and expenses going forward and kind of what that implies for your expense run rate going forward this year?

Kelly Harris

Yeah. Nathan, I mean you can see it's trending downwards. I think we highlighted or projected that in previous quarters. And so I think on a go-forward, if you use Q1 run rate, it's kind of a good template for Q2. It's just becoming less and less of not only the income side of things, but also the expense side of things.
And so from a core fee perspective, [7.50%] is good for Q2 and then $8.5 million for the expense side of things core. And then using the run rate from the oil and gas in Q1 going forward.

Thomas Travis

kelly, what's the total value right now of that remaining asset? Is it $9 million?

Kelly Harris

I think we have it listed at close to $10 million in that slide 24.

Thomas Travis

Yeah. It's just become as we projected not to be arrogant but we pretty much nailed that one. And the recovery is what we thought it was going to be. But of course, that recovery, you're on to the -- now you're really moving into the tail end in the long term tail cash flow.
But I think, Jason, are we on pace to a recaptured all of our money by the end of this year or within the next 12 months?

Jason Estes

Next 12 months.

Thomas Travis

Right. Now that's cash flow, right? So we expended $16 million to capture the asset. And in the next 12 months, we're going to have recovered all of that $16 million in cash. But as you know, on the accounting side, you have to match up the revenue and expenses.
And so it was a really good transaction for us. It provides a little bit of a, I call it a nuisance noise factor, but it's just not material.

Nathan Race

One last one for me. Tom, you mentioned maybe some distressed acquisition opportunities could emerge. And you guys continue to have the good problem of kind of how your excess capital levels are increasing. So just curious to get your kind of thoughts on the M&A environment today.
We saw one announcement in your backyard I believe last week. But just kind of any thoughts on how you're looking at potential acquisition opportunities going forward?

Thomas Travis

Yeah. We were aware of that potential. It was in our backyard and very aware of it last year. And so I think that the AOCI is still an overhang on a lot of these banks. And frankly, it's a bit maddening. And it's just going to be a slow boat to China for some of these people, which is going to continue to have a dampening effect.
And I think we were active in an opportunity recently. And we had offered what we considered to be just a phenomenal nice price. And we weren't even close. And so -- and we were frankly a little shocked. But I think the quality banks that are out there, the really quality banks that don't have an AOCI issue are going to be challenging for disciplined buyers such as us.
And so it doesn't mean we're not trying. It doesn't mean that we're not looking. And doing more than looking and modeling a lot of different opportunities. But again, when you're a disciplined buyer, when it's your money and not other people's money and you're a good steward of it, it's just tougher.
And so it means we're going to have to keep doing what we're doing, spend some shoe leather and some analysis and just try really, really hard. And that's just what we have.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Travis for any closing remarks.

Thomas Travis

Well, thank you again. Clearly, a great quarter, great company. We're so thankful for our teammates and our bankers and our markets. And we're going to continue to keep a watchful eye on the what's going on in Washington and continue to grow our capital in the near term and make sure that we're cautious and provide a really good return for our partners in the near term.
So thank you very much.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.